pay no mind to the two posts below. we are but two sleep deprived beings and everything we say only makes sense in our heads.
but feel free to comment anyway.
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goo’lord my desk is disgusting. but yours still seems somewhat to embrace more of a ghetto feel than mine. mine is european, so that immediately gives me status. or so i am told. *turns antenna down* nevermind, i was misinformed. the voices told me that your jones soda contains toxins that will eventually lead to decay and organic break down of your vital spinal and cranial tissues. enjoy that peachy surprise.
#1 | Comment by eve — July 7, 2002 @ 4:56 pm
Dude J dawg, the singer Avirl is a fucking hypocrite man, don’t get me wrong see looks good as fuck i luv them lil vampire teeth see has…. but in her song she is bitching about people acting like they are somthing else when she her self is a total poser… i don’t hate her or anything but i still think she is a total hypocrite, i know its just music im not freakin out about i just thought i trow this down to see what you think. Ok she dresses and acts like she is a punk rocker… then her music is very slow, punk music is not slow… then she says something about why are you yelling somthing about you don’t have to be so angry… punks are angry all the time… if she is a punk why is telling someone not to be angry
so no mater what she says she is a total hypocrite….plus her music is BULLSHIT…. still boyz check you later J Dawg…
#2 | Comment by Mr.X — July 7, 2002 @ 5:46 pm
what the hell..J Dawg? are you like a rapper now and didnt tell me?
#3 | Comment by suzi — July 7, 2002 @ 6:22 pm
J Dizzy, Your ghetto rambling on Suzi’s site has me wondering what set you claim. My guess is youre a Rolling Sixties Crip, am I right?
#4 | Comment by D — July 7, 2002 @ 8:52 pm
fuck you avirl bitches fans
#5 | Comment by impure — July 8, 2002 @ 6:48 am
It amazes me to no end, that people still thrive on stereotypes as much as they do. I don’t really have a personal opinion about Avril, she’s just another personal on TV, someone who doesn’t affect my life in any ways. But the above comments. "She looks punks, but she sings slow, punk isn’t slow." Now what the fuck does that have to do with anything? I wonder sometimes who designates themselves God to define what way a person should dress to sell their music. And you call her a hypocrite. Do you know her personally? Do you know her personality in and out, and know what she’s trying to represent something is or is not? How is this relevant in real life? Does anyone really fucking care? I wish people would get over the poser line and invent some new way of displaying ignorance. As far as I have been informed – punk is about doing what you want, right? About not looking like everyone else, or some other lame line of trying to distiguish personal identity. But if you see punk in a mall, didn’t the ideal already die? True punk died a long time ago, and the remaing creep around in allies from the new media punk. Get over it.
#6 | Comment by eve — July 8, 2002 @ 7:17 am
ok what i am going to type my seem to contrdict my last post.. but it really doesn’t…. you may say punk died but its hasn’t because punk isn’t a fasion statment it is a state of being…. the contradiction part… you may be think well its if its not a fashion statement then why did you say blah blah blah about avril…? well when i said she dresses and acts like a punk.. I ment she trys to meet the sterotypes of a "punk" and as i stated in my post I don’t care i know its just music…. so eve that makes you point mut. My whole point with the "she dress and acts like it but is slow", was to lay down evidence and examples of her hypocracy. If she was a punk she would not have to say it and she would not have to dress that way. Ok and on the mater of the speed, as i said erlyer punk is a state of being… punk music is fast because it is fuled by anger. SO THATS THE FUCKING POINT. I totaly agree that dress should not sell music, except for glam rock of corse. I have every right to call her a hypocrite. The lyrics of her song make her a hypocrite and if her music doesn’t spell out her personality then she is not a good mucian. Also i don’t need to know someones personality in and out to call them a hypocrite. If you do one thing that is hypocritical, you are a hypocrite. Just the same as if you lie once you are still a liar. "Does anyone really fucking care?" you ask. That is a very ignorant question, I obviosly care amongst many others. why are you asking a question you already know the answer to? Ya i wish people would make up new slang also but untill that happins people are going to continue to use the slang we have. How can you call distiguishing personal identity lame? You can live you life conforming to everyone elses norms, all you want, but i say fuck all that bullshit. Punk is not dead, and never will be. The only way punk could die is if humans where no longer alowed to think freely. Now I would like to say that I complety respect eve’s rebuttle to my opinion. I would also like to say I have no fealings of hate,or any hope for a grudge. Finaly I would like to thank eve for her disagreance, with out disagreance you would learn nothing new of what you stand for.
oh ya, about the J dawg thing, you guys didn’t know that justin was one of the best underground MC’s in Kalamazoo, you gota come check him out, Club Soda, erveryother saterday. That man flows like the Tigrus….
Oh and to anyone who says…. how can you talk about punk, then rap… blah blah blah, fuck you, I am me and that is who i am, I never said i was a punk, a hip hop head, or a hippy. You are not what you tell people you are, you are what you are. ONE LOVE
#7 | Comment by Mr. X — July 8, 2002 @ 4:55 pm
Justin told me to comment. After trying to unravel the pile of shit above that misinterpreted nearly every statement I made, the phonetic spelling, incoherance, lack of punctuation/clarity, and sign that screams, "I failed English 101 and became opinionated instead," I’m left with a difficult task.
The first line, "what i am going to type my seem to contrdict my last post.." already knocked my socks off.
The lamest point was that you said Punk is about anger, and she’s singing about not being angry. Strike 2.
Restate: I wish people would get over the poser line and invent some new way of displaying ignorance.
About not looking like everyone else, or some other lame line of trying to distiguish personal identity. (if you need to dress a certain way to make a statement about who you are, that proves how shallow you are.)
"punk is a state of being… punk music is fast because it is fuled by anger. SO THATS THE FUCKING POINT."
*pause*
M’kay. You made your point. And I restate mine: is this important in real life? To break people down and label them again and again?
"You are not what you tell people you are, you are what you are." -Mr. X
Well, if you tell people you are something you are not, that is.. in your words… being a poser, correct? "It is not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what comes out."
"ONE LOVE" – Strike 3.
Sorry Justin, I don’t have the translation skills to decifer the rest of the incoherant mess that is taking up your webspace above.
#8 | Comment by eve — July 8, 2002 @ 10:09 pm
(Eve I spell check this one just for you)
Well thank you for personally attacking me. Anyway on to my rebuttal. Your strike one is invalid, I said "seems" then explained how I did not contradict my self. You say my point is lame, yet it is a perfect example of someone being a poser. You will probably try to talk shit about me again for saying poser, but in my previous post I explained my continued use of he word). If someone says they are punk/punk rocker then is not a punk/punk rocker they are a poser. If she were to say she is a musician, there would be no problem. Well strike 3 is yet another personal attack. So there for it is a purposeless rebuttal. If you are going to dispute something, personal attacks are not the right way to go. A personal attack is not a disagreement. They are a weak form communication Personal attacks are a way to continue an argument with out making a solid point. . i.e. person A: the sky is blue… Person B: no its red… person A: no its blue look at it…person B: no its red because your ugly. They are also used as a defense mechanism in an attempt to win an argument. sense The personal bashes are going to continue I might as well make another point for you to disagree with. Today my friend told me that in her YM mag (excellent mag I read it cover to cover) it said Avril isn’t just faking to be a skater. Which was followed by a quote of her saying that her best trick is an ollie, WOAH!!!! My 12 year old cousin can do an ollie.
But anywise….. I am looking forward to more personal attacks disguised as honest arguments…
Oh and in conclusion, Jesus was a communist.
#9 | Comment by Mr. X — July 9, 2002 @ 1:19 am
whats up avirl i love you songs and i like
how you dress i wish i was yoy
#10 | Comment by diana — September 15, 2002 @ 1:13 pm
See what u people fail to realize is that Avril never said she was a punk. Thats what people say about her because of the way she dresses. She said "I’m not a punk" This fucking bullshit has to stop. When are people gonna stop hating on people who don’t deserve to be hated on. Just because u dress a certain way it doesnt make u punk. If i wear fuckin Fubu does it make me a Rapper? It’s about the attitude and the way u live, the way u carry yourself. Fuck the bullshit! Get Over it! and one more thing Punk isnt fueled by anger, its about how ur feeling. If someone writes a punk song about how great they feel it doesnt mean its not a punk song. If they write about how angry they are it doesnt mean its not a punk song. Punk is so many things and obviously u don’t understand it.
#11 | Comment by Sheena — September 16, 2002 @ 8:02 pm
I take back what i said Avril Lavigne is a FAKE.
Read This Article u will see why:
Avril Lavigne: Rising Star or Rising Asshole?
Written by Jessica Zietz
Disclaimer: This is NOT an anti Avril Lavigne site. This is a music magazine. Within the magazine there’s an articles section, and within that section there is this article. Please take the time to look at the rest of the site before you ask me why I run an Avril site. Also, before you email me:
– I do not devote my life to hating Avril Lavigne. I spent a few hours writing this article in July. How that constitutes obsession or having nothing better to do is beyond me.
– I run a music magazine. It is my job to express my opinions on music. Don’t tell me to keep it to myself.
– Why do I know so much about her if I hate her so much? It’s called research. I was not going to bash her without knowing my shit first. I don’t listen to her music or look for interviews with her because I secretly want to be her. Why waste time writing something like this if you can’t back up what you’re saying?
-If you can’t form an intelligent thought or think of something halfway decent to say ("you suck avril rulez" is not intelligent), don’t bother. I will not respond.
– To the pathetic, 11-13 year old Cult of Avril I’m-so-punk-because-I-shop -at-Hot-Topic-and-listen-to- Avril-and-like-sk8er-boiz members: Welcome to the real world. Not everyone is going to like everything that you like. Please get over it.
Avril Lavigne. Just seeing the name sends a trickle of pure disgust down my spine. Why, you ask? I mean, her songs are so deep! Her clothes are so cute! She doesn’t care what anyone thinks of her! She’s like, totally punk rawk! Well, my little brainwashed ones, I’m afraid I’m going to have to disagree. Let’s see…where shall we start?
Avril Lavigne is a pop singer feeding off of the new punk trend. Apparently, she (along with all her fans) missed the bulletin notifying those of us whose minds aren’t quite as impressionable that dressing in every article of clothing ever put out by Hot Topic does not make you punk. Clothing should not define a musician’s style. Rather (and here’s a real challenging idea for you), their MUSIC should. Yet, the brainless youth of America continues to eat it up, as they do with anything and everything they’re spoon-fed by the media, top 40 radio, and the sadistic, brainwashing, greedy trend whores better known as MTV executives.
In a recent magazine article, Avril proclaimed, "I don’t write ‘Oh-baby-baby’ songs. I’m a skater punk who writes guitar driven rock." Yet one listen of the record proves otherwise. It is an album of mostly slower, pop-rock tunes that would have felt at home on Mandy Moore’s latest record. Avril can’t seem to understand that, as much as she tries to give off a different image with what she wears, she is a POP singer. Uh-oh, here comes the retort from angry Avril worshippers.
"She’s not pop! She’s rock! And she writes songs and plays guitar!"
Calm yourselves, kiddies. This attack has only just begun. Stay with me as I dissect Avril’s music, image, fakeness, and hypocrisy.
Annoyance #One: Avril the Songwriter
In J-14’s August issue, Avril explained her songwriting process. "Once I sit down with the guitar, I write about what I’m feeling that day." However, in the July 1st edition of Time Magazine, Ms. Lavigne admitted, "I sit down with a guitar player usually."
A guitar player. As in someone who is not her playing the guitar. Which is it, Avril? Furthermore, a look at the songwriting credits on her CD will reveal that each song was cowritten with a multitude of professional songwriters. Anyone can spit out a couple rhyming sentences, maybe even a melody here or there, when they’re being guided by experts. (Britney Spears did it- is it necessary for me to say much more?) One can’t help but wonder just how much of those songs was written by Avril. Yet, in that same J-14 article, she claimed, "I wrote all those songs when I was sixteen." The credits tell otherwise, and somehow I’m not buying the Avril-did-it-all version of the story.
Don’t get too angry just yet. There’s nothing wrong with receiving some help writing songs. However, Avril is being touted as some guitar-playing, songwriting prodigy when, in reality, she’s not the only force behind those tracks. But that’s what sells, so I guess that makes it alright to lie, exaggerate, and present yourself as some virtuoso.
Annoyance #Two: Avril the Guitar Player
It’s pretty impossible to read an article on Avril Lavigne that doesn’t mention Michelle Branch. In fact, a recent article in YM stated, "She rocks harder on the guitar than Michelle Branch." Remember that trickle of disgust flowing down my spine? There it is again. You see, Michelle Branch got her big break when she opened up for Hanson- just her, a guitar, and some undeniable raw talent. When performing, be it for TV, a live concert, a radio show, whatever- she always plays her guitar.
That’s not the case with Lavigne. In numerous pictures of the singer (and I stress singer, not musician) performing, as well as the television appearances I’ve seen, Avril merely sings. In her acoustic sessions with AOL, she sang while a member of her band strummed along on acoustic guitar. Any half-decent musician who constantly states that she plays guitar would have proven herself then and there. A CDNow.com article reviewing a recent Avril performance mentioned that she strapped on the guitar for one song, claiming, "I suck." If someone like Britney Spears or Mandy Moore, who call themselves singers/entertainers and not musicians, played guitar for one song during a concert, I’d be impressed. Yet Avril constantly talks about how she plays guitar…why wouldn’t she play it live? There’s simply no excuse. And playing the few chords that she does know does not constitute a true musician. Furthermore, a look at the album credits show that Avril played guitar for only ONE song. Now that’s a real guitar player.
Annoyance #Three: Avril the Lyricist
"I never spend less than an hour
Washin’ my hair in the shower
It always takes five hours to make it straight
So I’ll braid it in a zillion braids
Though it may take a friggin’ day
There’s nothin’ else better to do anyway."
– "My World"
That’s uh…deep.
"He was a boy, she was a girl
Can I make it any more obvious?"
Well, you sure as hell couldn’t make it any more juvenile.
"He’s just a boy, and I’m just a girl
Can I make it anymore obvious?
We are in love, haven’t you heard, how we rock each other’s world?
I’m with the sk8er boi, I said see you later boy
I’ll be backstage after the show
I’ll be at the studio singing the song we wrote
About a girl you used to know."
– "Sk8er Boi"
First of all, the fact that it’s spelled like that is enough to make me vomit all over myself. I thought no one over the age of thirteen wrote a sentence that looked like, "U R 2 Kewl 2 B 4 GOT N." Second, the lyrics are flat out ridiculous. Boy meets girl, girl is too good for boy, boy becomes big star, girl regrets it, boy meets Avril, boy and Avril live happily ever after. My imaginary nine year old sister could have penned better lyrics.
"Went back home again
This sucks, gotta pack up and leave again
Say goodbye to all my friends
Can’t say when I’ll be there again
Its time now
I turn around
Turn my back on everything"
– "Mobile"
Well, cry her a fucking river. Avril, darling, you chose that lifestyle. You chose to drop out of high school, move to LA, and pursue your career. Deal with the consequences.
"I’m feeling nervous
Trying to be so perfect
Cause I know you’re worth it
You’re worth it
Yeah
La da da da La da da da"
– "Things I’ll Never Say"
No "Oh baby baby" songs? There’s nothing wrong with a love song or two. Yet she disses them every chance she gets…and goes and sings lines that are just as mushy. For example, also found in "Things I’ll Never Say":
"If I could say what I want to say
I’d say I want to blow you away
Be with you every night
Am I squeezing you too tight?
If I could say what I want to see
I want to see you go down
On one knee
Marry me today"
At least Britney never proposed marriage.
Oh, and here’s a bright idea for Avril to prove how punk she is. Let’s have her RAP in a song. Because, ya know, most punk bands always include a rap bit or two in their songs. Here’s an excerpt from "Nobody’s Fool," also known as Avril’s audition for Cash Money Millionaires.
"I’m not the milk and Cheerios in your spoon,
It’s not a simple here we go not so soon,
I might of fallen for that when I was 14
And a little more green."
That inconceivably ridiculous first line speaks for itself. The second makes no sense whatsoever, I’ve no qualms with the third, and the fourth…Avril, the writing is lacking. Perhaps you shouldn’t have been so quick to drop out.
"If you’re trying to turn me into someone else
It’s easy to see I’m not down with that
I’m not nobody’s fool."
Could’ve fooled me. (Yes, I crack myself up.)
Annoyance #4: Avril the Wannabe Punk Rocker
"When it is suggested that even then her tastes were kind of pop-oriented, her head snaps up as though she’s been slapped. ‘New country,’ she says, as though pop music is somehow less cool than new country. Then again, it seems any music is better than pop music in Lavigne’s eyes. Later, when it is mentioned that she seems poised for pop stardom, she is quick to correct. ‘No, no, no. Rock stardom,’ she says forcefully. ‘I don’t like using the term pop star because that’s not my personality. My personality is like a rock star. I’m hardcore.’" (Taken from Nationalpost.com.)
Rock star? Hardcore? Anything but pop? Keep dreaming, Avril. Take one listen to that CD- it’s pure pop with a tinge of rock here and there. A song doesn’t need slick Neptunes production for it to be radio-friendly pop song that appeals to bubblegum music lovers. And the upbeat track "Naked" is undeniably, well, poppy.
And don’t think I’m too evil. I can admit when a song of hers is good. In researching for this article, I downloaded them all. I think "Too Much To Ask" is a pretty good song and "Complicated" consistently gets stuck in my head. However, they’re being sung by someone who’s always claiming to be one thing, then singing music that’s all the opposite. And isn’t that what she vents about in "Complicated" anyway? Which leads me to…
Annoyance #5: Avril the Hypocrite
"You’re trying to be cool/You look like a fool to me."
The single making Avril famous, "Complicated," is a song about someone who changes their looks and personality to impress other people. Yet, in the video, Avril and crew are trashing the mall and causing all kinds of problems. Avril the rebel even smashes her guitar at the end of the video. (What a shame, it was just like new, seeing as how she strums it maybe three times throughout the entire song.) She tries to come off as this too-cool-for-school bitch with an attitude while she whines about someone who’s doing the same thing to her. There’s a word for that. I believe it’s called hypocrisy.
She’s a constant contradiction. She skateboards in the video, poses for publicity shots with the board, tells YM magazine that she’s good at it…Yet, in an interview with MTV, she discussed how the director of the "Complicated" video wanted her to skate in it. Ms. Tony Hawk protested, "No, dude, I suck!" Make up your mind, Avril.
Moreover, she recently told Elle Girl, "Today, I rejected some gorgeous publicity shots because they just didn’t look like me. I won’t wear skanky clothes that show off my booty, my belly, or boobs. I have a great body. I could be Britney. I could be better than Britney."
No one could be Britney. I’m not a huge fan of hers, but her popularity and success are mind-blowing. For Avril to arrogantly declare that she could do even better than one of the most successful teen pop artists ever is ludicrous (and a bit too cocky for my liking). And if she’s so against posing in slutty clothes, why didn’t she throw in some of that bitchy attitude she seems so proud of and refuse to wear the outfits to begin with? The story simply isn’t adding up.
Annoyance #6: Avril the Packaged Product
Unless you’re living in Tanzania, you’ve probably noticed that punk music is edging back into the mainstream. The demand for Britney and NSYNC is down and this means less money for the music execs who buy their Porsches and mansions with money made from teen stars. Time for a new plan. It amazes me that so few people see through this. Avril is dressed in Dickies, ties, studded jewelery, Chuck Taylors- most of which isn’t usually worn by the pop fans. Furthermore, she’s being hyped up as the songwriter/guitarist that I attacked earlier. She calls herself a skater punk, categorizes her music as rock and punk, poses in pictures with a skateboard…yet her music is anything but what such fashion would suggest. Being punk does not come from wearing the right thing. However the image is helping her to sell more records because it’s what’s popular now. One look through any teen magazine will reveal models dressed in clothing just like hers.
And let’s not forget the fake tattoos she wears on her arms. Cause that’s like, ya know, sooo totally hardcore. Let me go draw a big skull and crossbones on my arm so that I can be punk too. Please.
Yet another thing adding to her image that sells so well- upon visit to her official website, "Sk8er Boi," the only remotely faster rock song on the album, begins blaring. Obviously, they want the visitors to form an impression of Avril’s music based on that song, when in reality, the rest of the album simply doesn’t sound like that.
Avril Lavigne just seems fake, plain and simple. She tries to pull off this tormented, wounded puppy look in the "Complicated" video. She emphasizes her songwriting and guitar playing, yet had numerous songwriters work on her album, while the guitar is rarely strapped around her body when the music is live.
A member of an Anti-Avril community on Live Journal pointed out, "And if she takes all this time trying to label all of her music, she probably isn’t what she says she is, cause she has to prove everything through her clothes. Your personality should come from the music you create, and if you are that pathetic to keep on classifying it, might as well forget it." Well done. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
#12 | Comment by Sheena — September 17, 2002 @ 11:10 am
first of all i´m from the edge of the world, chile,
ok,ok,ok… shes a product, shes has been photographied many times …
she is pop , i saw her in mtv and muchmusic
but my friend naps say "suck my fucking dick, god dammit girl, EL ORTO PELUO (the ass)
she is cute , not a rocker
#13 | Comment by rulon — October 11, 2002 @ 12:09 pm
cool article, esp those quotes avril said…realli cintradicting.That shows wad a hypocrite she is…onli some brunette whu can onli sing.Heard she only noes how 2 play a G7 on the gutar…*wow*
#14 | Comment by TrL0gY — November 18, 2002 @ 2:35 am