Gimme some Moore!

The great American stereotype. Overweight fat man with a gun. Hee hee.

Well i finally got around to watching Bowling For Columbine about a week ago. Till then, i’d always felt like i was the last person on earth who hasn’t seen Bowling For Columbine yet. Actually no, that probably wouldn’t be true since i don’t think anybody who isn’t American (or at least Canadian) would give a damn about wanting to watch the movie (me being one of probably many exceptions though. and maybe Kingolf too since guns and politics are his thing. have you seen BFC yet Kingy?).

Anyhow, i would’ve watched it earlier if i could but the movie was never out on VCD before it got officially released on DVD. But now that the DVD is out (and bootlegged), i get to finally see what the fuss was all about.

For those of you who don’t already know, Bowling For Columbine is a documentary that centers around the issue of gun use in America. Some people say it’s an anti gun movie (which is funny because Michael Moore himself is a member of the National Rifle Association) but i personally think that it’s an anti stupid people movie*.

A lot of stupid people get interviewed in this movie. Anybody see the James Nichols segment in there? That man is clearly insane.

I was actually surprised to find out that much of the movie centers around the great state of Michigan (since i go to school in Michigan and all) and then subsequently finding out that Michigan holds the dubious record of having the the youngest school shooting in the US (where a 6 year old shot another 6 year old i believe) and also being home to a bunch of (apparent) gun nuts (the Michigan Militia) and is also where the Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh went to High School.

It all keeps coming back to Michigan. Eric Harris, one of the two shooters in the Columbine High School massacre, spent part of his youth on an air force base close to where Michael Moore (who is from Flint MI) grew up. And Terry Nichols, Timothy McVeigh’s partner in the Oklahoma City bombing, attended the high school next to Moore’s. Charlton Heston, the president of the NRA, who is amusingly interviewed in BFC, is also another Michigan boy.

One of Moore’s best arguments is that Americans live in fear. Which is so incredibly true. All you have to do is just watch this movie and look at all the examples of how the media and the American government manipulates the people into thinking the worst.

I personally think that this movie is fucking brilliant. I realize that there are tons of anti Moore people out there calling out his lack of integrity and saying that Bowling For Columbine isn’t grounded in truth being full of unproven facts and deceptive editing but it still doesn’t change the fact most of what Moore has to say is mostly true about Americans.

Shit, i would love to just go on and on about this movie and put all those hours i spent in those Media Theory & Social Change, Media Responsibilities, Media Criticism, Intercultural Communication and Mass Entertainment classes that i took in College to good use by dissecting this movie but many others have done it better than i ever could so i’ll just leave it at ‘this movie is fucking brilliant’.

If this is what Moore can come up with this time, i can’t wait to see what he pulls out of his hat for his next movie Farenheit 911. Where he’s going to trace why the U.S. has become a target for hatred and terrorism. It’s also gonna depict alleged dealings between two generations of the Bush and bin Laden clans that led to Dubya and Osama becoming mortal enemies. Oh and maybe he’ll throw in a bit of Saddam too.


*i refer to this as a movie because it’s a little hard to call it an outright ‘documentary’. Even though it did win best documentary at the Oscars. I dunno. Legit documentary or not, it’s still fucking brilliant.

83 thoughts on “Gimme some Moore!

  1. No, I haven’t seen it.

    Sounds fun, though.

    I’ve never understood the American gun policy; "Oh no! People get shot! We need more guns!"

    #1 | Comment by Kingolf — October 12, 2003 @ 9:45 pm

  2. Yeah I’ve seen this movie when it came out and I was laughing throughout this movie… Americans can be so dumb sometimes, those people of the militia were so ignorant wow, I didn’t think they actually existed!
    I liked the movie though I think his love of canada went to far.

    #2 | Comment by WP_LeGeNd — October 12, 2003 @ 10:46 pm

  3. Jessica Simpson’s nipple slips and celebrity porn to turn the boys on …

    And now look at this. A post from Justin that I can get-off to.

    It’s an Equal Opportunity Website.

    #3 | Comment by Amy — October 12, 2003 @ 11:46 pm

  4. Kill Bill owns you all! Kill Bill owns you all! Kill Bill owns you all! Kill Bill owns you all! Go see Kill Bill!
    Go see Kill Bill!

    #4 | Comment by Wraith — October 13, 2003 @ 1:23 am

  5. i *loved* bowling for columbine, and i anticipate loving fahrenheit 911 (the temperature at which FREEDOM BURNS haha).

    i found it funny that out of all the people interviewed in bowling for columbine, marilyn manson had the most intelligent thing to say (imo). such a fun movie (and insightful).

    i also found kill bill fun(ny). hilarious, in fact. unfortunately the people i saw it with didn’t share in my enthusiasm and had a lot of critical things to say about it (read: nitpicking) which was sort of a drag.

    ah well, to each his own. i still enjoyed it. and no one can take that away from me >:O


    #5 | Comment by crystal — October 13, 2003 @ 4:19 am

  6. I was a huge fan of these old television show that starred Michael Moore named… errr…. ummm…. It was called "TV Land" or "TV Country" or something… I forget… if anyone can remind me, I would greatly appreciate it.

    Well anyways, I am a huge Moore fan and have seen almost every episode of "The Awful Truth" and greatly love his movies and especially loved the music video he directed: "Testify" by Rage Against the Machine.

    Well, needless to say I absolutly *loved* this film, and as a non-American, understood very well the messages it was conveying and am somwhat saddened on how many Americans dismiss it as "Anti-American" and "Un-Patriotic" *Sigh* I guess some people will never, ever learn.

    My favorite scene was the animated South Park-ish History of America feature. "I loves me gun, loves me gun"

    Oh and Crystal, you have gone around to seeing "Kill Bill" have you, could you write your thought on it? I would like to see a non-fan of the genre (At least I am assuming you arent a fan of Campy 70’s explotation films)and your perspective on it…

    And by the way, what is the meaning of "nitpicking"? I am a humble Spanish speaking Catholic so sometimes I am cofused my some English words…

    #6 | Comment by Guizhang — October 13, 2003 @ 6:02 am

  7. The older Michael Moore TV show was "TV Nation", by the way, and it was quite genius.
    I am also quite a Michael Moore fan and was jumping for joy as he actually came to speak here(Georgetown University) two days ago, and I had been savy enough to get a ticket. Bowling for Columbine was great(also a big fan of the cartoon version of U.S. History) and his first big documentary, Roger and Me, is also something you in internet land should check out. Anyhow, his speech thing was really good, because it was really just spontaneous and in general referred to his new book, as well as taking questions from us students, like ‘what is your favorite movie’ and ‘if you were to die tommorow, what would you do today’.
    Also, I went to see Kill Bill, but alas it was sold out.
    And as to the meaning of nitpicking, piensa en una vieja que esta cociendo, y esta usando un punto pequenito, esta buscando lugares donde no ha ya hecho el punto, es nitpicking, es decir buscando lo mas pequeno para identificar, o en discusion, criticar.

    #7 | Comment by Oddho — October 13, 2003 @ 6:24 am

  8. Ohhhhh…. ya veo…. Gracias Oddho…

    Wow, I would have loved to hear Michael Moore speak, God I envy you.

    P.S. Thanks for reminding me of the name of the Michael Moore show: Tv Nation. It was on Fox, right?

    (Note: Your Spanish is pretty good, where did you learn it? Are you Hispanic as well?)

    #8 | Comment by Guizhang — October 13, 2003 @ 6:42 am

  9. probably this isn’t the best place to ask, but here i go anyway:
    how long have been the "amy links" up?

    #9 | Comment by vhw — October 13, 2003 @ 7:11 am

  10. Oh, Jesus, I didn’t know what you were talking about vhw. Now, I just saw that.

    That seems highly unneccessary…..

    #10 | Comment by Amy — October 13, 2003 @ 7:20 am

  11. Oh, and Crystal — I agree whole-heartedly on the Marilyn Manson thing.

    I was so impressed with what he said (and how articulately he said it), that I actually had to pause the DVD just to say "Wow."

    #11 | Comment by Amy — October 13, 2003 @ 7:28 am

  12. I loved "Roger & Me", I thought it was a great documentary film. I disagreed with Mr. Moore’s stereotypes of Southerner’s in this current film.

    I have four guns, and I keep all them under lock and key at our local gun club. When I deer hunt, I use a bow – not a gun and yes, I live in the South.

    I saw Michael Moore’s film and I think he needs to check his facts. History is obviously not Michael Moore’s strength. Perpetuating a stereotype(Southerner’s) in a documentary doesn’t make it a truth.

    One wonders if Michael Moore’s documentary would’ve even been released if he had taken such liberties with other groups in the US?

    As far as living in fear, I live in a county the size of of the state of Delaware, and we haven’t had a murder in five years(1998). And the murderer used a knife. I don’t even lock my doors at night…lol

    #12 | Comment by cujo — October 13, 2003 @ 7:41 am

  13. BFC warped my fragile little mind. For me, it was a two-hour long "Whoa". I actually cried half way into the movie. I was overwhelmed with sadness and pity for those people. It’s hard for me to be shown in pictures and sound, just how fucked up this world can be.

    If anything, the movie propagates the whole "Americans living if fear" idea… I, for one, did not sleep any easier knowing that the government let that fucking whacknut Terry Nichols loose to roam the streets of Middle America. Oh, and they gave him license to arm himself to the teeth.

    Jesus, just thinking about that scene makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand at attention.

    I definitely give this movie, and Michael Moore, all of my respect.

    #13 | Comment by embus — October 13, 2003 @ 7:55 am

  14. I don’t like Michael Moore. I think his tactics are crude and boorish. He seems to be well educated but he still falls into the same old trap of shock media/politics. He’s more interested in telling you what to be afraid of than how to fix it. Yes I’m a gun owner, no I’ve never shot anyone. Cars and Doctors are far more dangerous than a gun in my POV. That being said, a gun can be very dangerous in the wrong hands and not everyone should be able to buy one. Nor should anyone be able to purchase a MP5. No deer I’ve ever seen needs to be taken down with 150 rounds per/min. Shock media is getting old and scares me, people are sheep anymore.

    #14 | Comment by bligityblah — October 13, 2003 @ 8:13 am

  15. I am a southerner, born and reared. I have never shot a gun, never killed and animal for sport, though I confess sometimes I should like to do both.

    When properly trained, and of the proper age, I should be able to secure myself a handgun. But though I may sometimes want a fully automatic AK-47 (for when I absolutely, positively, have to kill every motherfucker in the room [accept no substitutes]), I have no need for one, and probably should not be able to get one.

    All of course, my uninformed opinion, and I’m probably wrong.

    #15 | Comment by Seriously — October 13, 2003 @ 8:44 am

  16. amy links –

    i was hoping nobody would notice :o)

    #16 | Comment by Justin — October 13, 2003 @ 9:35 am

  17. good commentary, never saw it, but i dont like people telling me what to think. (meaning this movie guy and not you justin – you know all)

    #17 | Comment by vass — October 13, 2003 @ 10:29 am

  18. I have heard that micheal moore had used some false information in his documentary. I’m not sure but I enjoyed the movie nonetheless even though he might have been lying half the time.

    #18 | Comment by random person — October 13, 2003 @ 10:30 am

  19. just got back from seeing kill bill AGAIN! sat through it twice this time so thats 3 times in 3 days and im going to go see it at least 5 more times before it leaves theaters (good thing i get in for free huh) and oh yea Kill Bill still owns you all! (and me of course) gogo is a goddess

    #19 | Comment by Wraith — October 13, 2003 @ 11:07 am

  20. Wraith, make sure Quentin gives you a reach-around at the very least.

    #20 | Comment by bligityblah — October 13, 2003 @ 11:56 am

  21. btw, i’m just going to love having to buy one movie, three times on dvd. KB Volume 1, KB Volume 2 and then the special edition KB Volume 1 and Volume 2 package.

    money grubbing miramax!

    at least they’re not as bad as anchor bay (witness the countless versions of army of darkness they’ve put out… which i’ve bought… all of them… i’m such a sucker..)

    #21 | Comment by Justin — October 13, 2003 @ 12:05 pm

  22. Unfortunately, Justin seems to have adopted Amy’s penchant for footnotes.*

    * I say this because it really, truly is annoying.

    #22 | Comment by Smartass — October 13, 2003 @ 12:05 pm

  23. But the joke is on you, smartass. Do you know how many times my excessive use of footnotes has gotten me laid? I’m not going to footnote that statment, but I will tell you the answer in paranthesis. (Once.) But it was so fucking worth it.

    The trick is in using them properly.

    As an example, a better footnoting of your above comment:

    Unfortunately, Justin seems to have adopted Amy’s penchant* for footnotes.

    * and by "penchant" I mean "annoying compulsion".

    See… isn’t that better?

    #23 | Comment by Amy — October 13, 2003 @ 12:19 pm

  24. btw, i finally got around to fixing that ‘REMEMBER YOUR INFO’ thing down there. it hasn’t been working for a while. ever since i upgraded my GM. but it’s fixed now and it works so you don’t have to keep re-entering your info each time you want to comment now.

    #24 | Comment by Justin — October 13, 2003 @ 12:34 pm

  25. I believe Bowling for Columbine is deceptively (another term would be exceptionally well) edited, but that doesn’t really change the fact that Mr. Moore (whom I, as a possible conservative, must by definition dislike) may have a very good point. It’s a good movie, whether I like it or not.

    But I do have trouble believing the whole Canada-is-the-promised-land-of-no-locked-doors-and-honey.

    I don’t care if I used whom correctly or not. Do something.

    I must call shenanigans on Amy for her outrageous and completely unsupported claim. Shame on you for attempting to fool the tjnr commenters like that.

    Shenanigans Amy, shenanigans.

    #25 | Comment by Seriously — October 13, 2003 @ 12:41 pm

  26. hehe, if a fat guy is even featured on the site, then anyone who isnt able to get a single pic on must reeeeeaaaaaaalllllllllly be ugly o well for whoever that is to bad yep to bad

    #26 | Comment by s.j.m. — October 13, 2003 @ 1:39 pm

  27. Wraith,

    If you liked Gogo you should get Battle Royale. She’s in it as essentially the same character.

    #27 | Comment by zant — October 13, 2003 @ 2:02 pm

  28. Fucking brillant. No. Fucking ignorant. How many people had to die so Mr. Moore could make a movie to piss on his political opponents. This is what’s wrong with America. We allow our politicians and political activist to get out of control. We need to show these bastards, right and left, that the people are in the driver’s seat and we are not going to allow them to control our nation’s destiny. Once, not very long ago, the Republicans were elitest and the Democrats were corrupt. Now they both share all of these attributes. And third parties, they are a joke. Any third party on the right is facist, any on the left (including Green) are communist. We must, as the youth of a nation, express our principles to our leaders and tell them that we are watching them very, very closely. We do not approve of their conduct. They are not very good stewards of our nation. We will soon take over. The corrupt and the elitest, which Mr. Moore represents perfectly, should not be supported by those of our generation. Don’t sell out our future.

    #28 | Comment by Messenjah — October 13, 2003 @ 2:34 pm

  29. I like milkshakes. Vanilla is good, but really, and type of milkshake is ok.

    #29 | Comment by embus — October 13, 2003 @ 2:42 pm

  30. Michael Moore is a fat bitch. Sorry.

    Bligityblah is right on the money – thanks for saving me from having to say the same thing.

    If you cried during this silly little thing you need to seriously lay off the estrogen injections.

    #30 | Comment by sexcrazedweasel — October 13, 2003 @ 5:00 pm

  31. Hmm… Is that movie also released in Brunei? It sounds… Interesting, to say the least. *grin*
    Btw Justin, may I link you? This is Ainil btw – Nina’s cuz. thanx

    #31 | Comment by +ang3lix+ — October 13, 2003 @ 5:51 pm

  32. Oooh, another underage groupie?

    Check out her "site," it’s much fun. I say yay for pinky angstyness!

    #32 | Comment by Kingolf — October 13, 2003 @ 6:32 pm

  33. Wait… shit, she’s older than me?


    #33 | Comment by Kingolf — October 13, 2003 @ 6:37 pm

  34. BFC…good movie. I own some guns. I don’t kill anyone though, or any animals. I don’t even keep them accessible. I don’t even have any fresh ammo. It’s all years old. Why the fuck do I even have them still? Hmmmm…..good question.

    #34 | Comment by grud — October 13, 2003 @ 10:58 pm

  35. In his film Michael Moore never condones the right to bare arms, in fact, he admits how he is a card carrying member of the NRA and how he won a shooting competition as a young man.

    As a foreigner (Dominican of Spanish Descent)I feel the way Southeners are potrayed hasnt already been shown a million other times on countless other films and television shows, and frankly in the eyes of the world (As in, non americans) , same as any other southener Ive ever seen or met in my humble 17 years on this Earth.

    Anyways, most of the film takes place in Michigan, which is in the Mid-West, correct?

    As a child of a Police Officer and seeing how most of my family is either in the Armed Forces or in the Police (Strangely enough, I have family fighting in Iraq for both the US and Dominican armies)I feel that the civilian population has no need for weapons of any sort, but then again, here there isnt much hunting to be done and our forefathers didnt specificly write the right for us to bare arms.(But they should have, then street gangs would fight with guns instead of machetes…)

    And no, Mike doesnt answer any of the questions he asks, but thats the beauty of the documentry. He is forcing the audience to think for themselves based on the evidence that has been shown rather then spoon feeding he’s beliefs down your throat (This is arguable of course…)

    And, what diffrence does it make of Michael Moore’s weight anyways? If you havent looked around lately, most Americans are in fact fat. The fact that he is a socialist doesnt stop him from being an American and putting food inside food.

    #35 | Comment by Guizhang — October 14, 2003 @ 1:58 am

  36. What’s with the pop-unders?

    Almost as annoying as the footnoting. Almost.

    #36 | Comment by Smartass — October 14, 2003 @ 3:20 am

  37. Newsflash–the Second Amendment does not guaranty anyone the right to possess arms. It reserves that right to regulated state militias only.

    #37 | Comment by grud — October 14, 2003 @ 4:21 am

  38. well so what I think this whole thing of right to bare arms is stupid and backwards… okay it was necesary a couple of hundred years ago, but nowadays its just plain dangerous!

    #38 | Comment by WP_LeGeNd — October 14, 2003 @ 4:55 am

  39. Yah.. popunders… I thought I was trippin. Thought I had some f*ed up adware that was hiding from me.

    This can’t be right….

    #39 | Comment by embus — October 14, 2003 @ 5:42 am

  40. yeah it was that online users script thingy that was generating the pop under. i was wondering about that too because i noticed my pop up stopper trying to stop a pop up whenever i visited my own page. anyhow, found out that it was the online users thing. guess i won’t be using that anymore.

    #40 | Comment by Justin — October 14, 2003 @ 6:26 am

  41. grud – The Supreme Court has ruled on several occasions that the intent of the 2nd is to allow private citizens the right to arm themselves.

    #41 | Comment by bligityblah — October 14, 2003 @ 7:01 am

  42. The truth about Bowling For Columbine

    I think that’s the definitive ‘Whats factually incorrect about BFC’ link.

    I rewatched this recently and still have mixed feelings on it. He’s pretty much preaching to the converted here and playing loose and fast with the facts won’t win him any new supporters. He better not be screwy with Farenheit 911 though I suspect he will since there isn’t really any connection between the Bushes and Osama bin laden.

    #42 | Comment by Edo — October 14, 2003 @ 8:57 am

  43. Yeah grud, how is it that you’re interpreting the second ammendment? Would you fall into the same group that says seperation of church and state (in terms of its modern interpretation) is in the constitution?

    #43 | Comment by pottedmeat — October 14, 2003 @ 12:09 pm

  44. Damn it….

    You guys have got to get back to posting porn and talking about underage actresses.

    I am finding all of this political talk to be far too stimulating…

    #44 | Comment by Amy — October 14, 2003 @ 12:41 pm

  45. mmmmm porn!!!

    #45 | Comment by bligityblah — October 14, 2003 @ 12:49 pm

  46. Amy post some boobie pictures of yourself, that would shut us up!

    #46 | Comment by WP_LeGeNd — October 14, 2003 @ 1:44 pm

  47. No, no, I really do prefer this political talk… it’s very exciting.

    Someone take on pottedmeat’s idea that the constitution doesn’t specify a separation of church and state… please.

    I have to go to sleep.

    #47 | Comment by Amy — October 14, 2003 @ 1:54 pm

  48. Bligity and Pottedmeat, I don’t know what Supreme Court cases you guys have been reading. The only case to directly address the issue was a 1939 case (U.S. v. Wilson). It directly lays to rest the notion that the Second Amendment grants citizens the right to possess firearms. It has been cited by several other Supreme Court cases. I’m not a advocate either way. I don’t really care, other than criminals and crazy people just shouldn’t have guns.

    Meat, you’re a dipshit.

    #48 | Comment by grud — October 14, 2003 @ 6:30 pm

  49. Oh, and how the hell did we end up talking about this shit?!?! Damn you Justin!!!!

    #49 | Comment by grud — October 14, 2003 @ 6:31 pm

  50. Minutiae!!

    #50 | Comment by Discommode — October 14, 2003 @ 10:14 pm

  51. Any new Victoria Silvstedt pics?

    #51 | Comment by cujo — October 15, 2003 @ 1:22 am

  52. In U.S. v. Verdugo-Urquidez (1990), the U.S. Supreme Court observed, "The Second Amendment protects ‘the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.’"

    more boobs damn it!

    #52 | Comment by bligityblah — October 15, 2003 @ 1:30 am

  53. Me from Michigan! Me like guns. Me like shooting. Me like hunting.

    Never saw Bowling for Columbine, amd very interested in seeing it. I loved Roger and Me. If any of you ever happen to Michigan, do yourself a favor and skip Flint, as it is depicted in Roger and Me, it is NOWHERE near that nice.

    TV Nation was excellent. I find myself agreeing with and disagreeing with Michael Moore equally, and still he is enjoyable. Unfortunately, he has suffers rightly for the criticism bligtblah says. He tends to ‘exaggerate’ things as fact or edit items to suit. Worse, he passes it off as ‘documentary’ when it is not.

    Still entertaining either way.

    #53 | Comment by smash — October 15, 2003 @ 6:21 am

  54. yo hablo español muy bien 🙂

    and yeah bowling for columbine was a great documentary

    #54 | Comment by biz — October 15, 2003 @ 5:40 pm

  55. yawn. next?

    #55 | Comment by sexcrazedweasel — October 16, 2003 @ 2:02 am

  56. For the love of Kirsten Dunst


    Anyone else notice here that all of us ‘regulars’ do exactly what Justin asks in that little disclaimer from the homepage I cut and paste above? It’s like he has some mad subliminal power over us. Fucker. Can’t he use his power to make the fubarb women pose topless or something better?

    #56 | Comment by smash — October 16, 2003 @ 6:05 am

  57. Wp said:
    well so what I think this whole thing of right to bare arms is stupid and backwards… okay it was necesary a couple of hundred years ago, but nowadays its just plain dangerous!

    How does me owning a gun get defined as ‘plain dangerous?’ Is it more or less dangerous than me owning a car? A set of nail clippers (obscure post 9-11 reference)?

    #57 | Comment by smash — October 16, 2003 @ 6:10 am

  58. You can drive in a car, you can clip your nails and/or hijack a plane with a pair of nailclippers, but you can’t really use a gun for anything besides hurting people.

    #58 | Comment by Kingolf — October 16, 2003 @ 6:17 am

  59. Nevermind the sport, collection, protection aspects of firearm ownership. Hitler and Stalin were huge fans of gun control, that seems like bad company to be in. Why are we debating this? Lets move to something less pointless like debating the greatest work of fiction ever published: The Bible.

    #59 | Comment by bligityblah — October 16, 2003 @ 8:37 am

  60. kingolf-

    I own 3 guns, also a Michigander and a hunter (holy stereotype batman, I sound like I am right out of Bowling for Columbine)…but A) I have never hurt people B) I use my gun for other things besides hurting people. I use it to practice aim with, hunt with, etc.

    Bligityblah nailed the point I’m making on a totally different course, the only place where gun control ever worked in society was 1930’s germany. Think about it.

    #60 | Comment by smash — October 16, 2003 @ 1:47 pm

  61. Okay let me clarify my post I am a strong opposer of guns… (what the hell are they good for?) okay I can see why some would like them to hunt as a hobby (shoot poor bambi.. YOU BASTARDS) but those are usually rifles, what I am concerned about is that everyone in america can buy a handgun if he/she wanted. every disgruntled employee or unhappy kid could get a gun because they are so available. I wouldn’t say that in my country there aren’t any guns because of the gun control (there are, but only in the criminal circuit.. usually smuggled from the states or russia), but for a normal person its almost impossible to own a gun. in order to buy a gun you have to belong to a gunclub for over a year, you have to fit some psychological profile etc. etc. so almost nobody owns a gun over here.

    #61 | Comment by WP_LeGeNd — October 16, 2003 @ 3:40 pm

  62. Smash/Blig – Kingolf is Danish. I don’t think the Danes have ever even entertained the thought of opposing any occupying enemy force.

    In other words, he’s right. They have no use for guns.

    #62 | Comment by sexcrazedweasel — October 16, 2003 @ 4:58 pm

  63. WPLEGEND – Gun ownership is not really the issue. Every single male in Switzerland owns a SIG551/550 Assualt rifle that is issued to them when they attend mandatory military service. The weapon then is taken home and kept at home for the duration of their "civilian" adulthood, while they serve several weeks a year in the military.

    So by your logic, the Switzerland should be littered with dead bodies.

    Should ownership be made more difficult. I think that is a valid point. Should it be outlawed? I’d like to think WW2 would have turned out a bit different, had the jewish populace owned guns to defend themseleves against the incremental Nazi threat.

    #63 | Comment by sexcrazedweasel — October 16, 2003 @ 5:02 pm

  64. Fuck…now I’m siding with thegayweasel!

    WP Legend…I’m glad to hear that the control of guns is working out for you in your country. Clearly it is working. The average citizen who might need a gun to protect his home/family doesn’t own one, yet you state that the criminals still have them.

    I assume there is ZERO crime in your country with this policy? Otherwise, what the fuck good is that system?

    #64 | Comment by smash — October 16, 2003 @ 6:26 pm

  65. smash: It depends on what you consider to be criminals I’m not talking about your random thief I’m talking about organised crime, but hey thats why there are cops right? they also have guns, to fight the bad guys! I just don’t think the average joe should have a gun… in the states its way too easy to get a gun.

    sexcrazedweasel: what you said about switzerland I know about it. I thought it was mandatory or something to own an "assault rifle" but how do you explain why there are almost no shootings there (there was a big one lately some nutjob killed 15 people, now some legitslatives are trying to tighten the law)? well I guess its because swiss are generally law abiding citizens… there is no death sentence, there are no real harsh punishments for crimes, most of the crime in switzerland is drug trafficing to other countries. so I guess that has something to do with it…

    why do you think there are so much more violent crimes with guns then anywhere else? if guns were outlawed wouldn’t that stop most gun related crimes (when a thief is cornered and has a gun he will probably shoot especially if the owner of the house also has a gun… what if they both never had a gun?)?

    #65 | Comment by WP_LeGeNd — October 16, 2003 @ 8:53 pm

  66. Boobs please…….anyone……boobs?!?!?

    #66 | Comment by grud — October 16, 2003 @ 8:58 pm

  67. I think it’s gone too far…

    …is fubar getting…respectable?


    #67 | Comment by Seriously — October 16, 2003 @ 10:23 pm

  68. "the only place where gun control ever worked in society was 1930’s"

    "I don’t think the Danes have ever even entertained the thought of opposing any occupying enemy force."

    I like to think that I don’t dislike Americans. I do, however think that I dislike certain habits: EVERY-fucking-thing apparently has something to do with WW2. If the Jews had had guns, they’d just have been shot from start. The thousands that survived probably wouldn’t survive. BUT WE CAN’T FUCKING KNOW. Stop arguing as if you actually lived in that time. You weren’t in the invasion, you’ve never helped free any countries. Shut the fuck up about it.

    "The average citizen who might need a gun to protect his home/family"
    "Protect his family?" By killing and/or dying himself? And why is it always "his" home and "his" family?

    "yet you state that the criminals still have them."
    Gangsters, bikers and the like will always have guns. The question is should we give them those guns or make it as hard as possible for them to get them?

    The average Jens would never benefit from a gun. Death penalty for stealing? And you call your law better than Shariah…

    "yet you state that the criminals still have them." As has the police.

    What would your prefer?
    a: killing a person
    b: killing a person and losing your life
    c: killing a person and losing someone close to you
    d. losing your life
    e: losing someone close to you
    f: losing your wallet

    "Hitler and Stalin were huge fans of gun control"
    As was Gandhi. How do you know they were "huge" fans? Quote?

    #68 | Comment by Kingolf — October 17, 2003 @ 5:00 am

  69. "History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own fall" – Adolf Hitler, Edict of 18 March 1939

    "If the [politcal] opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves." -Josef Stalin

    #69 | Comment by bligityblah — October 17, 2003 @ 5:31 am

  70. I just think it’s a shame Americans aren’t utlizing their second amendment rights and inciting a revolution. Instead we just kill each other.

    #70 | Comment by Amy — October 17, 2003 @ 5:41 am

  71. Yeah, answer the one thing you can answer.

    #71 | Comment by Kingolf — October 17, 2003 @ 6:57 am

  72. Wait, you’re Bligity… oops, sorry.

    #72 | Comment by kingolf — October 17, 2003 @ 6:58 am

  73. I answered the one thing pointed at me. I left out Ghandi because I don’t know enough about him to form an opinion on his politics. Knowing what I do know, however, I think passive resistance isn’t for me. Plus, how much can you trust a guy who doesn’t like steak?

    #73 | Comment by bligityblah — October 17, 2003 @ 7:17 am

  74. "And why is it always "his" home and "his" family?"

    I don’t understand what you mean by this, are you pointing out the use of the masculine pronoun or is it somthing else?

    #74 | Comment by Seriously — October 17, 2003 @ 7:50 am

  75. Yep.

    #75 | Comment by Kingolf — October 17, 2003 @ 8:04 am

  76. oysterderby DOWn

    #76 | Comment by cirus — October 17, 2003 @ 2:43 pm

  77. Kingolf-

    You make little to no sense:

    What would your prefer?
    a: killing a person
    b: killing a person and losing your life
    c: killing a person and losing someone close to you
    d. losing your life
    e: losing someone close to you
    f: losing your wallet

    What the hell is this a question about? How does gun control dictate this question? Criminals still have them…so option F is out…making this retarded, much like your entire comment.

    Believe it or not, I support STRONGER laws enforcing the purchase of guns…and so does the National Rifle Association (NRA). I do not support out right gun control. A 7 day waiting period prevents crimes of passion (man finds out his wife is having an affair, guy fired from his job) but as you and WP Legend BOTH agreed, it ****DOESNT**** stop criminals from having guns.

    Therefore, what the fuck good is this whole argument you are attempting? Because guns are dangerous? You seem to imply this by your stupid ‘which do you prefer’ and ‘hurting himself’. Cars kill more people annually in America. By a huge margin. Cars are dangerous. Let’s enforce car control laws.

    Again, I do not support gun control, it’s pointless and stupid. I do support better regulations on purchasing guns. Harris and Klebold acquired weapons too easily, but not having guns would NOT have stopped them. The assault of pipe bombs, molotov cocktails, knives, would have continued.

    #77 | Comment by smash — October 17, 2003 @ 6:31 pm

  78. Kingolf your digging a hole of not making sense. Doctors kill and mame more people than guns do per year, if you ask I will again offer proof of this. Cars are more dangerous than guns, for gods sake a swimming pool is more dangerous than a gun. Gun crimes more often than not happen with small .22 and .38 cal weapons because they are easy to obtain. Handguns are not the problem and certainly hunting weapons are not the problem. No one commits robbery with a 30-06, if you’d shoot one you would understand. Gun control does not solve the problem because laws only effect those who choose to obey them. If someone is planning on robbing you do you really believe that they take into consideration the legality of the weapon of choice? Next you’ll tell me that capital punishment works. Some people prefer to hunt because the meat contains less contaminants so is better for you over all and some hunt to save money. I do not advocate hunting for sport, I think that is a cheap way to show your cock size. But if you hunt and consume the animal its fine.

    #78 | Comment by bligityblah — October 18, 2003 @ 2:33 am

  79. "Doctors kill and mame more people than guns do per year"
    Doctors also save many mroe lives, and they’re necessary for the health of everyone. Pools are for swimming in, and I doubt that more dies from drowning in pools than getting shot.

    "crimes more often than not happen with small .22 and .38 cal weapons because they are easy to obtain."
    Yep. That’s why you need gun control laws.

    "laws only effect those who choose to obey them."
    That’s bullshit. By your "logic," people would never go to jail.

    "If someone is planning on robbing you do you really believe that they take into consideration the legality of the weapon of choice?"
    If the gun was illegal, they’d have a much harder time getting it.

    "Some people prefer to hunt because the meat contains less contaminants so is better for you over all and some hunt to save money." And that justifies guns? Human meat is good for you, you know.

    #79 | Comment by Kingolf — October 18, 2003 @ 6:05 am

  80. You yourself said that only criminals in your country have guns so obviously they aren’t hard to get, unless you don’t want to commit a crime with them.

    People who break the law have no regard for the law so the tend to ignore it, that’s my "logic" which you can’t seem to grasp. No one has ever said: "Well I was going to stickup the Johnson’s but since I don’t have a gun I guess I won’t." Many violent crimes happen with all types of weapons besides guns but it’s popular for you in the anti-gun crowd to ignore that little observation. By that "logic" we’d ban knives, clubs, chains, and even coffee. It’s not bullshit, its common sense. Guns are not the problem, leniency is the problem. Personally I think if you commit a violent crime that should be game over. Violent offenders like sex-offenders don’t usually change.

    Yes pools are just as dangerous as a firearm. Pools kill about 4 in ever 100k people per year, gun deaths are half that. Doctors kill 250k per year and are basically high priced mechanics that like to gamble. They don’t know as much as they think they do and hate to be confronted with that. I hate doctors more than I hate stupid people, most of them just can’t help it whereas doctors study to become what they are.

    No, hunting does not justify guns after all people still trap, fish, and bow hunt. That wasn’t my point but you missed that one too. But most gun control laws are flawed because they regulate firearms that have no practical use for anything other than hunting. I wish all people did for food was hunt, sadly the downfall of our society will be supermarkets because they allow the bottom of the gene pool to avoid starvation.

    Last shot fired on this topic, no pun intended.

    #80 | Comment by bligityblah — October 18, 2003 @ 8:51 am

  81. What do people want when they assault you with a gun? Your wallet.
    What’ll happen if you refuse to give them it? A B C D or E.

    "Cars are dangerous. Let’s enforce car control laws." There are car control laws, and they work. I support stronger car control laws, maybe completely outlawing them. Personal cars are absurd when close to all transport could be offered public. Cars however does have a purpose. You can drive in them. You can hunt with a rifle, but do you need to hunt? Is hunting worth risking lives for?

    #81 | Comment by Kingolf — October 18, 2003 @ 12:22 pm

  82. Moore spoke here yesterday and I went to see it it was fantastic.

    #82 | Comment by Sisi — October 20, 2003 @ 5:04 am

  83. I think moore was right. its true the country needs a douch.

    This president is an arogant asshole, you all know who those fuckers are, they are the same kid in class that no one spoke to but knew anyway, and later after graduation became manager of a Burger king just so he can boss people around, and do NO work, to make the place better but it only got worse, then it got robbed, and he stopped serving black people, just becuse that was the people that robbed him.
    So the NAACP held rallys in front of the place for two months, then berger king found out what he was doing and removed him from that store. everything went back to normal at that burger king but now the store that he was reasighned to, burned to the ground becuse he was sleeping when a new person caused a grease fire, and 4 employees died, and the spokes person for burger king said the manager was having a bad week.
    once again, he was reasighned again, and it kept on happening every where he went, like king midas everything he toutched turned to shit.
    Only to find out later, he wasn’t fired becuse he was the chairman son.
    thats an asshole

    #83 | Comment by littel-bo-peep — June 30, 2004 @ 11:47 pm

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