Decent Women Fuck Like Me

Justin let a feminist in!… there goes the neighborhood.

* The following (insanely long) post is because different people come with different opinions. I am fully prepared to accept any backlash for what I say, but I would like to avoid any venomous retaliation that is not in the spirit of debate. I mean no harm. I just see things differently. *

This is how I like sex, therefore, this is how you should like sex. If you like it dirtier than this, you’re a skanky ho. If you like it less dirty, you’re a frigid prude.

The Gender and Sex Rant

I have a big problem with this rant.

The Gender and Sex Rant would have been an entertaining read if the topic had been honestly presented. An honest presentation would have been: “this is how I liked to be fucked”.

But instead, the rant offers damnation peppered with advice. The damnation is of any woman who doesn’t like to be dicked the way Eve likes to be dicked. In reality, the advice to women is how to be just like Eve, and the advice to men is only appropriate if they’ll be fucking Eve. Because she tells you what she likes, but misleads you by saying that all women (excuse me, ‘decent women’) want it just like that.

Sexual appetites are as unique as fingerprints.

But look at what a lovely little pigeonhole Eve created for all of us.

(For the record, I am taking the literary license of adopting the role of ‘slut’ for the following rant. In reality, I’m a total prude who was offended by the fifth paragraph, where Eve said I couldn’t hold onto a man.)

PARAGRAPH 1 – Women, your male friends want to fuck you. (Ground-breaking news)

Yes, men want to fuck their female friends, but no woman needs to call up a platonic buddy to verify this. She already knows. And if she isn’t aware of it, she would be unable to describe her sexual thoughts in “explicit detail” to anyone. Because clearly she’s sexually clueless. Women who don’t live in cloisters are aware that her male friends want to bang them. It just makes it all the more exciting to pretend she has no idea. What’s so wrong with sexual tension?

PARAGRAPH 2 – Sexual over-liberation?

Eve talks about fighting the “whore” label, and then calls women (and men) sluts?

When a woman can fuck, purely for the sake of fucking, it is indeed a liberating experience. Maybe not for sisterhood as a whole, but definitely for the woman who gets to fuck without shame.

True women’s liberation will come when chicks stop trying to confine other chicks to their concept of being a woman. The liberation of an entire gender lies in the empowerment of one woman at a time. It is up to each and every heterosexual female to decide exactly when, where and how she wants a cock inside of her. (If my using the word cock comes off as too whorish, you can stop reading any time.) It’s up to the rest of us to not pass judgment on her for how she likes it.

I agree when she defines waiting until marriage as a “comfort zone for the sex-scared adolescents.” What the essay fails to recognize, however, is that damning women who like sex different than you do is the standard operating procedure of more than a few sex-scared adults.

PARAGRAPH 3 – The futility of feminism

This paragraph begins with a statement that couldn’t be more wrong if it tried.

“No degree of feminism will ever break down that double standard that men carry for women…”

Yes, it will. It already has.

Young women of today are far too quick to dismiss the feminist movement. They take for granted the things our foremothers fought so tirelessly to achieve. A woman who could equate sexual freedom with “sexual over-liberation” has no understanding of just how difficult women had it 40 years ago.

Non-violent measures can bring about societal change (see: MLK, Jr.). Passivity, however, accomplishes nothing (see: the meek who don’t accomplish jack shit).

For as long as our gender roles have been defined (i.e., since the beginning of time), women have made their cultural contributions quietly. She opted to be the “woman behind the man”, because that’s what society allowed her to be.

Early feminists, who fought for such radical concepts as the right to vote, knew they couldn’t accomplish anything by remaining quietly in the background. They knew that to raise the consciousness of society, they were going to have to get up in its face.

And look at that, we can vote now. Has the feminist movement assisted in the evolution of men’s attitudes towards women? HELL YES. (I recognize the movement is far from perfect. It’s being tweaked along the way.) While many men still struggle with the “women like to fuck too” concept, the vast majority of dudes aren’t looking to revoke the 19th amendment.

Good for them, good for us, thank you feminists.

Fast forward and it seems there are many women not satisfied with the vote.

Societies grow, attitudes evolve.

What about sex?

Do you know where women would be today if feminists chose not to take on the topic of sex?

We need to allow the slut her right to exist, in all her sluttiness. Feminism is the reason a woman can write about shouting “fuck me” in bed without being called a whore. Appreciate that there are women who are dirtier and nastier than you’ll ever be. Because otherwise, you’d be the slut.

“sluts are fuckable, good for some short entertainment, but then when they grasp some small corner of human decency, they suddenly get self righteous and want someone pure, clean, someone who hasn’t shared in as many drunken, careless nights with strangers as they have.”

This quote (the second half of the first sentence in paragraph 3) sneakily manages to equate “human decency” with chastity.

I couldn’t blame a man for being uncomfortable knowing his girlfriend fucked the football team. That’s why I would advise any “sluts” to leave that story out if she really likes the guy. And if he somehow finds out down the road, let’s hope she’s found a man secure enough to handle it.

I understand that men want a partner who is “pure” and “clean”. But, guess what? Women do too! None of us like to think about the partners our lover had before us. There is some degree of insecurity and jealousy in everyone. I also understand that there are a lot of men who think they found that pure, clean woman. I would advise those men to pay no attention to the bones in her closet.

If I’m dating a guy, I don’t want to know the details of his entire sexual history. We’re both better off pretending the other was a virgin when we met. (This is easy really; you just don’t question where he learned to do that thing with his tongue.)

The BIG secret is that most sluts are not the airhead bimbos Eve would like to imagine that they are. There are many women out there who like to fuck and are just as interesting outside of the bedroom. (Or the kitchen, or the car… considering sluts don’t confine themselves to beds.)

What would sexually repressed women have to fall back on if they couldn’t cling to the belief that eventually all men will tire of hot, uninhibited sex?

There’s no need to be threatened by sluts. You’re going after two very different types of men.

PARAGRAPH 4 – The “decent” woman is defined

Conveniently, “decent” women turn out to be chicks who like sex exactly as Eve does. What about the 90% (ish) who aren’t just like her? The women who are bored to tears by suggestions of candles and massage lotions?

Oh, I’m sorry. They’re all “street skanks” or “town bicycles”. They have nothing to offer a man other than what’s between their legs. Luckily, we’ve already had it explained that men will grow bored with that and soon move on to a “decent woman” like the author.

Because if it wasn’t true, how could she say it with such confidence?

PARAGRAPH 5 – First she laid into the sluts, and then she insults the prudes.

It wasn’t bad enough she had to slut-bash her way through the first four paragraphs, now she has to take a potshot at the prudes?

She suggests candles, g-strings, and massage lotions to have some fun.

If you really want to have some fun, I’d suggest vibrators, handcuffs, and rope.

If that’s not your thing, that’s cool. I would never be so arrogant as to say everyone should enjoy being fucked like I do.

PARAGRAPH 6 – Talk dirty to me.

Eve tells men to not be demanding because women don’t want that. This may surprise you, but there are some women who do like that. Not just your every day whores either. There are plenty of sexually well-adjusted, decent people who like the occasional demand.

All apologies, that goes against the whole “all decent women like sex the way Eve does” concept being established.

PARAGRAPH 7 – Eve knows what all women want.

Eve threatens a man with castration if he touches her head. Reckless statements like these are what stops a man from wrapping his fingers in my hair when I’m attempting to swallow him whole.

I know, another shocker, but I like sex different than Eve does.

This, however, does not make me a street skank, this makes me different than Eve.

To each her own.

(Crazy concept, eh?)

169 thoughts on “Decent Women Fuck Like Me

  1. Actually, our resident feminist recently resigned, and so we had to go get a new one.

    #1 | Comment by Umgawa — September 5, 2003 @ 1:35 pm

  2. Geez. I really TRIED reading it… I did. Really. But about one forth into it my eyes glazed over.

    How you could extract even a fraction of your dimwitted diatribe from a laid back lucive post EVE made eons ago is beyond me.

    Thank god, there are normal women out there as well…

    …I wouldn’t fuck you with KINGOLFs dick.

    #2 | Comment by limpweed — September 5, 2003 @ 1:41 pm

  3. PS: Take note boys, you too could be married to something like this if you’re not careful… this would be the same chick that will make an argument out of leaving the toilet seat up that would make the UN proud… … I just get a headache thinking about.

    #3 | Comment by limpweed — September 5, 2003 @ 1:45 pm

  4. "…I wouldn’t fuck you with KINGOLFs dick."

    Okay, that made me giggle. Tee hee!

    #4 | Comment by Bubba — September 5, 2003 @ 1:54 pm

  5. Amy, would you like to fuck me for the sake of fucking? Please, I may be fat, but I have a large penis, unlike Justin’s small asian one.

    #5 | Comment by pangwinking — September 5, 2003 @ 2:10 pm

  6. fucking christ thats a long rant….how do you expect us to take you seriously if you don’t post some hot pictures like Eve did?….just for the sake of a fair and balanced comparison of course….I love Eve

    #6 | Comment by bligityblah — September 5, 2003 @ 2:25 pm

  7. I didn’t even read it…I just want her to fuck me for the sake of fucking.

    #7 | Comment by pangwinking — September 5, 2003 @ 2:57 pm

  8. pang = my hero.

    #8 | Comment by radish01001 — September 5, 2003 @ 3:23 pm

  9. eh I actually read it, and thought it had some good ideas

    #9 | Comment by Charles — September 5, 2003 @ 4:06 pm

  10. Wow. Way to miss the point guys. Maybe you were all just intimidated by this post because it was longer than all your small dicks put together end to end. Amy, you bring up some very interesting points. I’m already a fan of your site (thanks in no small part to Justin linking you) and i’m happy to see you posting over here too. Ignore these children. They obviously haven’t matured enough to appreciate good writing.

    It would be nice to see some intelligent debate going on here for once.

    #10 | Comment by Dave B. — September 5, 2003 @ 4:14 pm

  11. Hey long time lurker first time poster here. When i first read Eve’s rant i thought, wow, she has some good points. And then i read Amy’s rant and i though, wow, she has some good points too. And now, i can’t decide who has the better point! "how do you expect us to take you seriously if you don’t post some hot pictures like Eve did?" That is so shallow. Girls aren’t just pictures and i would be insulted if anyone said that to me. I’ve always thought that most of the commenters here were morons but that statement really seals the deal.

    #11 | Comment by JadeFox — September 5, 2003 @ 4:37 pm

  12. I would like a chick fight, c’mon fight fight fight!!! JERRY JERRY JERRY!!!!

    #12 | Comment by WP — September 5, 2003 @ 4:41 pm

  13. God damn, who fucking cares about debates…I want Amy to fuck me. Who gives a flying fuck about her points. Just fuck me!

    #13 | Comment by pangwinking — September 5, 2003 @ 5:49 pm

  14. Shes there talking about sex, and all you morons can see are some good points? Grow some balls, become a man and just think about Amy fucking me…cause that’s what I’m thking about.

    #14 | Comment by pangwinking — September 5, 2003 @ 5:50 pm

  15. Of course Amy had to disagree with Eve. This is what happens every fucking time there’s a newcomer here.

    Here’s what will happen: Eve will get offended because you degrade her based on a one year old post (which you also severely over-analyze), you’ll get angry at her and we’ll have the fucking Meg drama all over again.

    As entertaining as it would be read posts after postsa after posts of insults, try to stop it before it’s to late.

    The problem is that you’re both great writers, perhaps the most serious writers FUBAR has ever had. Are you really gonna waste your time attacking eachother over old posts?

    Amy: This post was an attack against Eve and you know it.
    "I mean no harm. I just see things differently"
    The only thing you wrote is "This is not how I see it. Eve is dumb and arrogant," albeit with more details.

    Eve: Try not to put to much into this. Remember Liz’s first post? You girls (Eve and Amy I mean) are the same kind of women with the same kind of thoughts and the same extremely high quality of writing.

    I’m not sure Eve will see this. See, she hasn’t got a connection. Don’t expect an answer soon.

    #15 | Comment by Kingolf — September 5, 2003 @ 5:51 pm

  16. BAH! Typo

    Thinking*

    *sigh*

    #16 | Comment by pangwinking — September 5, 2003 @ 5:51 pm

  17. Know what I think?

    No, you don’t.

    #17 | Comment by Seriously — September 5, 2003 @ 8:05 pm

  18. Thanks for the feedback. Even for the people who didn’t read it.

    Kingolf –

    "This post was an attack against Eve and you know it."

    No it’s not, and no I don’t.

    Her post is an attack on women (specifically women who aren’t just like her). And I do not think Eve is "dumb" or "arrogant". (At all!) I think she’s cleary a very intelligent woman who wrote an extremely arrogant post. Yes, a year ago, I didn’t know there was a statute of limitations on counter-opinions.

    But, I appreciate you refering to my "high quality of writing", so I forgive that you missed my intent.

    #18 | Comment by Amy — September 5, 2003 @ 8:34 pm

  19. Amy, I like the way you think. I’ll be sure to pull you hair when we finally meet, just so I can hear you call me enlightened. And no, that’s not sarcasm.

    #19 | Comment by kromekoran — September 5, 2003 @ 8:45 pm

  20. you know the snobs who comment really piss me off. I am talking to you Dave. I have already formed an uninformed opinion about you based on your glee at using penis size jokes, and the flamboyant put down "ignore these children".
    I immediately visualised your right hand wafting with the all too familiar wave of those much too in touch with their feminine side.
    Not that I am calling you gay, although I strove manfully (deliberate word choice) to so infer.
    The point you missed Dave is that this site, intentionally or not, caters for all types.
    You need not be incommoded by the intellectual paucity of comments because some of us are here to be light-hearted, and some of us just don’t give a damn about any perceived "serious" post.

    Okay, enough of Dave, to whom I now apologise for singling out, but it really pissed me off that you took the time to insult others without truly commenting on the post, which after all is the point isn’t it…..and my post is also guilty of that, but I am a quasi-misogynist so I am excused.

    Ahhhhhh, but the shit that truly gets me is the rent-boy attitude. The "we can’t have anyone disagreeing with Eve shit" that goes down. Kingolf tries to be the Rodney King of pacifists,(can’t we all just kiss Eve’s ass);when the truth is he, and possibly Limpweed are blistered by the fact that someone dares to disagree with the "post Nazi".

    I need to disclose certain facts in the interest of fairness.
    Eve and I have had a minor intellectual skirmish that may or may not have skewed my opinion in this matter.
    Maybe that explains while reading Amy’s post I said to myself "Wheeeeeee, Eve bashing!!", lmao.

    And you shits better not pull an Amy on me and not read my post because of it’s length. I took time to write this shit so you fucks better read it…. All of it, before I waft my hand in the air and …………….

    #20 | Comment by Discommode — September 5, 2003 @ 8:51 pm

  21. I’ll chime in with my pointless two cents.

    A) Amy, you are dredging up some OLD shit for the sake of topic, but whatever, at least its a post and some discussion.

    B) Eve’s post was old. I didnt’ agree with much of it then, and I still don’t.

    C) I don’t agree with all the points you make either.

    However, looking at the point-counterpoint nature of this, You’re post makes more sense because it allows for the concept of differing opinions and interets; Eve’s doesn’t. That was the issue I had with Eve’s post before.

    I am still confused what your objective here is though, is it debate for debate’s sake? Or, do you have a bone to pick with Eve? If the former, cool whatever. If the latter, I’m much more interested in the gossip of WHY you have issues with Eve than this this post.

    #21 | Comment by smash — September 5, 2003 @ 8:52 pm

  22. Oh and the final thing…Amy would you please fuck Pangwinking? That way he can shut up about it. Plus, that boy has got to be one big ball of pent up sexual frustration waiting to explode all over the right girl.

    Sounds appealing, no?

    #22 | Comment by smash — September 5, 2003 @ 8:54 pm

  23. Yes people, I KNOW EVE’S POST IS OLD. But, I just recently read it. Therefore, it’s new to me.

    See whow that works?

    "I am still confused what your objective here is though, is it debate for debate’s sake? Or, do you have a bone to pick with Eve?"

    My only objective was to air the "other side". I don’t know Eve. If the post had been written by Tom, Sheila or Harry, my response would have been the same.

    "Amy would you please fuck Pangwinking?"

    Sorry. But, as I mentioned, I’m a prude.

    Really.

    #23 | Comment by Amy — September 5, 2003 @ 9:06 pm

  24. You got a tattoo how can you be a prude? don’t lie to us and just fuck pangwinking!

    #24 | Comment by WP_LeGeNd — September 5, 2003 @ 9:28 pm

  25. I really can’t believe anyone actually spent their valuable time on any of this stuff. I’m gonna mow the grass now.

    #25 | Comment by grud — September 5, 2003 @ 9:42 pm

  26. Now to the post.
    Lovely analytical style Amy, but I always look askance at such a method, because it comes across as pernickety, and persnickety arguments almost always betray the arguer’s inability to grasp the real intent on that which they comment.

    You nitpicked, and what was disappointing is that I never got your appreciation of the minute significance of sexuality and the conflict and double standards it engenders, but that’s feminism for you.

    You announced yourself with bombast, "Justin let a feminist in! … there goes the neighborhood".
    Uh?
    I had to shake my head at that, because there is an inference that "y’all can’t handle me, I am a feminist".

    So I get myself all hyped, and I am ready to read ‘The feminist’, and what do you present?
    A bogus debate with another ‘feminist monster’ about sexuality.
    I hope your other posts are worthy of "the feminist" tag, because the old "we like sex too" argument is tired, useless, and unworthy of comment by someone who obviously has more to offer.

    This is not a personal attack by the way, because I enjoyed the post, I just hated that you "blueballed me". Mentally I meant.

    #26 | Comment by Discommode — September 5, 2003 @ 10:12 pm

  27. "Kingolf tries to be the Rodney King of pacifists"

    Oh yeah. Imagine a FUBAR without the endless "I’m better than you. Ho!" "No I’m better than YOU. Slut!" posts.

    Boring indeed.

    Amy: You might have had some points, IE that post might’ve been a tad arrogant.

    I think you’re missing some of Eve’s points (yeah I’m arguing for her. I wouldn’t have a problem with an attack on Eve if she was here to defend herself, but she isn’t).

    PARAGRAPH 1
    "Women knows that."

    How can you know that? I’m not saying Eve can, I’m saying none of you know what the general women is thinking.

    PARAGRAPH 2.
    "It is up to each and every heterosexual female to decide exactly when, where and how she wants a cock inside of her."

    There’s another kind of slut. The cheating one. I don’t believe in monogamy myself, but I believe in loyalty. If you’re gonna fuck with somebody else, make sure you have your boy/girlfriends permission. Otherwise you’ve betrayed him/her and yes, I’ll call you a slut. On the other hand, free (as in "liberated") sex would be a great thing. Sex shouldn’t be a taboo and monogamous relationships rarely works.

    PARAGRAPH 3
    "Yes, it will. It already has."
    True, but not completely. I don’t think the majority of men will become much less misogynistic anywhere near the next century.

    PARAGRAPH 4
    "Conveniently, “decent” women turn out to be chicks who like sex exactly as Eve does."
    No, not "exactly like Eve does." The kind of women who "enjoy having sex, having passion, pleasing themselves and their partners." Decent is a wrong word for it, it’s the sexually active (laying still doesn’t count as active) women who doesn’t cheat. The kind of women who fucks for the sake of fucking, not for pleasing a man.

    PARAGRAPH 5
    "I would never be so arrogant as to say everyone should enjoy being fucked like I do"
    She’s not telling people to, she’s saying that they might enjoy sex, so give it a try.

    PARAGRAPH 6
    "There are plenty of sexually well-adjusted, decent people who like the occasional demand." Now you’re defining decent. I agree with you, though.

    PARAGRAPH 7
    "Eve knows what all women want."
    Eve knows what Eve want.

    Again: Yeah I’m defending her. Besides, arguing on the internet is something only retarded people do, and retarded people are useless. Ain’t that right Amy?

    *cough*http://afterophelia.com/argue.jpg*/cough*

    #27 | Comment by Kingolf — September 5, 2003 @ 10:23 pm

  28. I could definitely be doing something more valuable with my time, but someone else is mowing the lawn.

    I have officially learned why I don’t keep a traditional journal on my site (if anything on the Web can be considered tradition). It turns out I’m a comment junkie. A feedback whore.

    The good, the bad, and the indifferent. I like it all. Perhaps I like it a bit too much. For the most part, I’ll probably be sticking to my web site. Because if I got this kind of immediate feedback on everything I wrote, I would never do anything else.

    Kingolf:

    A link to the Special Olympics picture? A fubar without chicks arguing might be boring, but a fubar full of peole who don’t get the joke would be far worse.

    And no, retarded people aren’t "useless", how dare you for saying such a thing! I have no problem with retards. Some of my best friends are mentally challenged.

    Discommode:

    You nitpicked, and what was disappointing is that I never got your appreciation of the minute significance of sexuality and the conflict and double standards it engenders, but that’s feminism for you.

    If I had fully wanted to express my thoughts on sexuality and conflict, it would have been a much longer post.

    I clicked a link on the front page of this site that said "The Gender and Sex Rant", because these are two of my favorite topics. I disagreed with the entire rant. Not a sentence or two, but the whole argument. Any nitpicking is the result of directly responding to a piece already written on sex and gender.

    And maybe you’re right, it was unfair of me to try and taunt anyone by annoucing myself as a feminist. Because clearly you can handle me. I would hope that you would then take the neighorhood crack as a joke that didn’t work, and not an attempt to blueball you (mentally).

    But, you’re smarter than a lot of people, because you use bigger words than most people. (This is not mocking, I’m just saying that in this medium, I don’t have anything else to go on.) It is for this reason that I ask you to forgive the lame joke as being for the benefit of the people who would want to stop reading when I said "feminist".

    And I don’t take any offense to your comment, what you said was fair.*

    —————————
    * meaning that you called me a monster, but you put it in quotes and later said you enjoyed my post. I’ll take the back-handed insult as a compliment. (Even if you just liked the post for its Eve-bashing nature.)

    #28 | Comment by Amy — September 5, 2003 @ 11:33 pm

  29. looks like i’m going to hafta wait a bit before i post again.

    ::wink wink::

    welcum to the club, amy.

    #29 | Comment by lizzie — September 5, 2003 @ 11:38 pm

  30. Umm… usually, when people break down and have intellectual conversations and point-counterpoint arguments about sex… they aren’t getting any.

    Just a thought. So chew on it.

    #30 | Comment by Jimmy Knuckles — September 6, 2003 @ 1:06 am

  31. count me in the I love Eve club again.
    AMY just made me cry.
    The chick is scary. I swear my fingers are trembling now, she used the old "that’s all you got" shit on me.
    The guys know how that softens your ass right quick.

    #31 | Comment by Discommode — September 6, 2003 @ 1:16 am

  32. I wrote a big, fat comment about the sarcasm of using a .jpg depicting a boy who’s obviously suffering from either Downs or Aspergers syndrome and labelling him as "retarded" and then calling yourself a friend of the mentally challenged, but I realized that that would just be the start of another flame war.

    Clevah lil’ me got it aaall figured out.

    #32 | Comment by Kingolf — September 6, 2003 @ 3:12 am

  33. I wrote a big, fat comment about the sarcasm of using a .jpg depicting a boy who’s obviously suffering from either Downs or Aspergers syndrome and labelling him as "retarded" and then calling yourself a friend of the mentally challenged, but I realized that that would just be the start of another flame war.

    Clevah lil’ me got it aaall figured out.

    #33 | Comment by Kingolf — September 6, 2003 @ 3:12 am

  34. Hmmmm…..I’m going back out to do the weed eating. Might get out the edger too.

    #34 | Comment by grud — September 6, 2003 @ 4:35 am

  35. Seriously Amy…fuck me. I don’t give a fuck if you’re a prude, I don’t want anything special, just your vagina.

    #35 | Comment by pangwinking — September 6, 2003 @ 4:56 am

  36. I am determined to turn this from some stupid long ass post about sex or what ever the hell you were talking about, to you, fucking me, all night long.

    Oh yeah, and thanks Smash.

    #36 | Comment by pangwinking — September 6, 2003 @ 4:57 am

  37. You might want to sweep the pool and trim the hedges while you’re at it.

    #37 | Comment by thess — September 6, 2003 @ 5:11 am

  38. Hey pang you wanna mow amy’s lawn????

    #38 | Comment by WP_LeGeNd — September 6, 2003 @ 5:26 am

  39. Yeah, then plant some new seed.

    #39 | Comment by pangwinking — September 6, 2003 @ 5:33 am

  40. I wanna get on the bandwagon, but it’s too late.

    #40 | Comment by Seriously — September 6, 2003 @ 6:19 am

  41. Thess!!! What’s up!!!

    I wish I had a pool to sweep. I might trim some hedges though. Good idea. You need to be my yard girl. Come on over:)

    #41 | Comment by grud — September 6, 2003 @ 6:19 am

  42. *wakes up*

    What the fuck…

    Nice post Disco. What, he didn’t post? Oh, I still didn’t read the actual post; I read the comments though. Dave, you fucking fanboy, I think the Winking Pang has a better shot at her than you man. I have to say, I didn’t like Amy calling big wood man Disco….I feel dirty.

    That’s about it. Maybe I’ll go back to sleep…

    Oh, and give Pang a fuck…seriously. Speaking of Seriously, give him a fuck too.

    #42 | Comment by Bubba — September 6, 2003 @ 6:31 am

  43. So many words… I’d rather gouge out my eyes with a rusty spoon and fill my eye sockets with a mixture of sulfiric acid and saw dust than read all of this shite (shite being the retarded comments). The post was an interesting read though. Thank you Amy for entertaining me for a few minutes.

    #43 | Comment by WhoaMan — September 6, 2003 @ 9:48 am

  44. Amy, any way we can count on you for a few more minutes of entertainment?

    fuck feminists….or was that females in general…I always get so confused.

    #44 | Comment by bligityblah — September 6, 2003 @ 10:28 am

  45. So…

    #45 | Comment by pangwinking — September 6, 2003 @ 11:03 am

  46. Wassup, grud. ๐Ÿ˜€ I’ll have to say "no" on the yardwork deal, btw…being the unliberated, male-dominated little female that I am, I’d actually prefer to cook and clean the house than sweat out in the yard.

    I like wearing bras, too.

    #46 | Comment by thess — September 6, 2003 @ 11:47 am

  47. when I am good and ready Amy, when I am good and ready.
    A feminist who cant take criticism.
    Next time i’ll dumb it down for you. Foolish me assuming I didnt have to dilute my intellect for the likes of you.
    Why do I have this deja vu?

    #47 | Comment by Discommode — September 6, 2003 @ 12:04 pm

  48. Whoa! Where the hell did that come from??

    I think you misunderstood. (Read sarcasm where there wasn’t any?)

    #48 | Comment by Amy — September 6, 2003 @ 12:06 pm

  49. it’s too late. I hate you now. I even got your AIM username and everything.
    I want to deal with you "live".
    And yes I am the "big wood " man, so you better be careful.

    #49 | Comment by Discommode — September 6, 2003 @ 12:24 pm

  50. well, that was fun.

    #50 | Comment by TheOtherAmy — September 6, 2003 @ 12:28 pm

  51. Seriously, Disco …

    I thought you would catch the tone of my response. Your comment was my favorite! I really did think it was fair.

    But "live" conversations deny me the mental exhibitionist thrill of doing it this way.

    #51 | Comment by Amy — September 6, 2003 @ 12:33 pm

  52. "big wood" man.

    Heh.

    If that was a typo, and you meant "big word", that’s fucking funny in a Freudian kinda way.

    If it was deliberate, it’s even funnier.

    #52 | Comment by Amy — September 6, 2003 @ 12:35 pm

  53. I <3 Eve...hell with all ya'll

    #53 | Comment by bligityblah — September 6, 2003 @ 12:45 pm

  54. Why would thess need to wear bras she ain’t got no breasts.

    #54 | Comment by Pump — September 6, 2003 @ 2:53 pm

  55. When you mow your lawn, Thess, Can I plant the new seed?

    #55 | Comment by pangwinking — September 6, 2003 @ 3:20 pm

  56. After reading both Amy’s and Eve’s posts, I find myself agreeing with a few points from each of them.

    I initially stumbled upon Eve’s post recently myself, and was glad to find that there was another female that was open to discuss the sexist stereotypes associated with sex. However, her faults are that the tone does come across as a little close-minded and arrogant.

    What I have to disagree with Amy is, that maybe Eve’s suggestions of candles, massage oil, etc was more of a fun, creative suggestion for those couples that might happen to not put a lot of effort or creativity into sex, and might resultingly have a less-than-satisfying sex life. These ideas wouldn’t work for everyone, and Eve left out other things that would increase the thrills of sex–such as "role-playing," getting away with doing it in public places, etc, whatever suits your fancy. Amy’s role was to point out the other perspectives of the argument.

    Another point that I agree with a little bit on both posts, is the issue of whether or not the gender stereotypes have been knocked down. Amy’s post is true in pointing out that the feminist movement brought about a lot of change, and things are still better than in the past. However, Eve’s post brought up a point that hit home for me on more than a few occasions with myself and numerous females friends–that even today, the double-standard exists in which guys are branded as "cool" for being "studs," whereas females who sleep with far less people are still commonly referred to as "sluts."

    One such personal experience of sexism occured during beginning of freshman year at my rather small (not-so-liberal) liberal arts college. I was seeing this guy from my school(let’s rename him "Stan" for this instance), and of course that included some sexual activity. At the time I was becomming friendly with a few girls through "Stan," who lived on the dorm floor above him, and I found out later were very conservative about sex and also virgins. After a funny incident in which "Stan" sexiled his roommate(which we all laughed about, no hard feelings there), these girls discovered that my sexual beliefs did not exactly match up to theirs, and so began snubbing me and stopped making short conversation when I would pass them on campus. Meanwhile, however, they continued their friendship with "Stan," as they viewed "Jon" to be just another guy that liked to have sex, like "all guys do." It did not help that one of the girls in this group(a shy, passive type) secretly had a crush on "Stan" during the time that I had been seeing him, and although no one was aware of her crush, she was rather annoyed and jealous of me, which could also explain the trigger for viewing me differently than "Stan" for my sexual activity.

    That, and the common (predominantly males’) opinion that "a girl can get sex almost whenever she wants, because ANY guy would be willing to fuck anything." HELLO-o! I can think of numerous guy-friends who take sex very seriously and would not just jump in bed with any given girl, even if she was attractive–YES, guys who think with their brains instead of their dicks still exist. Not to mention how that very assumption about guys is an insult to the incidences in which I or some of my female-friends might have spent nights alone, feeling sexually frustrated/rejected/etc. What the statement is implying, is that guys think about sex constantly, whereas girls are a lot more reserved–that, in itself, is setting a generalization made on gender alone, and does not apply to the majority of people. Suuure, it’s not like girls would ever possess some little chemical messengers called hormones or anything. How dare anyone think that *gasp* it would be possible for women to have desires and orgasms of their own? Perhaps the guys who still believe this opinion, and pass it on to other guys, think this because in face they are lacking in the sex-life department, and use this as a scapegoat to make themselves feel their own unfruitful sex life is beyond their control due to their gender. The point of my rant is, while our feminist ancestors paved the way for many improvements for women, in the way of sex, some gender differences do still exist. These are not so much in the way of laws permitting what a woman can or cannot do, but more so in the sense that people will still give dirty looks and brand labels to those women that are liberated enough to have sex without caring what people will think.

    Anyways, I agree with points from both of the posts, and I am happy to see that there are females on this site debating how effective the feminist movement has been, and how females should feel is right to express themselves sexually. Keep up the good posts.

    #56 | Comment by Becca — September 6, 2003 @ 3:52 pm

  57. Sorry about such a long comment. ๐Ÿ™ The "sexism" discussion seems to be one that I can go on for hours discussing. Thanks to any of the people out there who beared with it and read the entirety of my comment.

    #57 | Comment by Becca — September 6, 2003 @ 3:55 pm

  58. so many freakin words…where are the boobs?

    #58 | Comment by bligityblah — September 6, 2003 @ 6:06 pm

  59. "I initially stumbled upon Eve’s post … her faults are that the tone does come across as a little close-minded and arrogant … What I have to disagree with Amy is, that maybe Eve’s suggestions of candles, massage oil, etc was more of a fun, creative suggestion"

    What she said.

    #59 | Comment by Kingolf — September 6, 2003 @ 6:40 pm

  60. Dis!

    #60 | Comment by Bubba — September 6, 2003 @ 7:14 pm

  61. Amy-

    Next time you feel the need to open something (like your mouth) just quit while you are ahead and open your legs for pangwinking.

    #61 | Comment by smash — September 6, 2003 @ 7:44 pm

  62. go on a diet you fat american shit you pangwinking you’ll never get laid

    #62 | Comment by Pump — September 6, 2003 @ 8:52 pm

  63. OoooooOO, dis on Pang!

    #63 | Comment by Bubba — September 6, 2003 @ 8:55 pm

  64. i must admint i am watching the comments on this post like a hawk… probably for the same reason that Becca left such a long comment:

    in hope of some actual, serious discussion.

    but i’m just looking for an ideal. this site is NOT the place to lean to for a fair look at gender issues or sexual stereotypes. that’s just how it is. this site is a boobie boy playground.

    as much as i’d like to see some of the double standards knocked down… the only way i’ll be able to do that within this little world is by not reading 3/4 of the stuff said on this site.

    even if said in jest… the whole tone of this online community is one of female objectification. and ladies, no amount of good writing or whitty, sarcastic comments will be enough to turn the table.

    i guess i’m a little jaded at this point about the issue… but fubar’s following is too strong. maybe you all don’t want to see a change… maybe the males like the lusting and bashing on the females and the females like the attention (even if it does put them down a few steps on the scale of dignity and equality).

    eh. this comment is too long already. fin.

    #64 | Comment by lizzie — September 6, 2003 @ 9:56 pm

  65. "even if said in jest… the whole tone of this online community is one of female objectification. and ladies, no amount of good writing or whitty, sarcastic comments will be enough to turn the table"

    I’d just like to give credit to Justin for trying to balance things out for us women by having intelligent writers (e.g Amy, Eve, Lizzie et al) posting here on occasion. As much as there is female objectification on this site and in the posts, i think we all know that Justin doesn’t really think they way he does on the site (i hope he doesn’t!). I’ve spoken to him several times and he’s hardly like the way he is on the site. And even when he is, it’s all, like Lizzie just said, done in jest. I don’t know if i can say the same about half the other people who read and comment on this site though. But, he has to cater to his audience and unfortunately for him, most of his readers are either misogynist males pigs or guys that have little to no respect for the ladies.

    Having you great girls posting on here does make a difference (however small it is, it’s still a difference, and a better one too) and hopefully Amy (and all the other girls for that matter) will still keep posting here every once in a while. Keep up the good work everyone.

    Oh and Pangwinking, grow up.

    #65 | Comment by JadeFox — September 6, 2003 @ 10:49 pm

  66. I’ve said for a long, long time that Justin (for whatever reasons–lots of hits, personal amusement, whatever) caters quite a bit to the horde of retards, fanboys and pigs that climb all over his site and sac, drooling over (then ridiculing, once they find someone else to idolize) his camgirl obsession of the week/month/whatever and whimpering for more porn and Bangbus passwords because they’re either too lazy and/or too stupid to find their own.

    But I’m just a spiteful, boobless bitch. What do I know?

    #66 | Comment by thess — September 6, 2003 @ 11:00 pm

  67. OoooOOO, another dis on the Pang! You going to take that Pang? He told you to grow up! You’re big and fat enough as is man, tell him off!

    Never grow up, never grow up, not me! Not me! Not meeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

    #67 | Comment by Bubba — September 6, 2003 @ 11:03 pm

  68. shut your hole bubba you cant even read jadefox is a chick

    crouching tiger hidden dragon kicked ass by the way

    #68 | Comment by Pump — September 6, 2003 @ 11:18 pm

  69. OooOOO, dis on me! I don’t know who that is mate, it’s just a name to me; kind of like you, except you didn’t really say anything interesting. If I don’t know who you are, I don’t really give a shit.

    Oh yeah, and to add to my retarded child act: Why don’t you make me shut my hole!?

    Double oh yeah, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was a steaming pile of shit. If I wanted to watch an anime I would have. I bet I might have actually enjoyed it a bit too. Instead, I get that Fat Chow guy and everyone else flying around on a bunch of strings. It was a waste of my watching time, and I hope whoever thought of that piece of shit dies a horrible death….like fire!

    (That’s for Zac and Pang, bye bye now!)

    #69 | Comment by Bubba — September 6, 2003 @ 11:53 pm

  70. crouching tiger steaming pile should have been the title…guys and gals stop taking yoursevles so damn seriously….that being said, show some boobs already

    #70 | Comment by bligityblah — September 7, 2003 @ 1:12 am

  71. and all i wanted to do is ask if anyone has ever read/seen/heard of the "ladder theory".

    I just visited a (the?) Web site of the "ladder theory", because, ya know, I’m open-minded like that.

    The premise (men want to fuck the women their friends with) is obvious, and been said a million times in a milion ways by a million people.

    But the entire "theory" behind why…

    A complete load of crap.

    #71 | Comment by Amy — September 7, 2003 @ 2:05 am

  72. bubba youre a stupid sack of shit go blow your fat fuck friend

    amy you rule

    #72 | Comment by Pump — September 7, 2003 @ 2:15 am

  73. I noticed Amy didn’t insert pics of her in a bra un like Eve did.
    AMY=AN ANNALY FEMINIST 0
    EVE=1

    #73 | Comment by P. Orno Rocks — September 7, 2003 @ 2:27 am

  74. Oh…

    And if anyone is actually interested in reading a kick ass article that sort of fits into this whole topic… On My Knees: On Being a Mongamous Slut and a Feminist Submissive.

    Women come in all flavors…

    Hallelujah.

    #74 | Comment by Amy — September 7, 2003 @ 2:38 am

  75. Becca –

    I’ll back your post and not just because you said my photos of young me were ‘cute’.

    I agreed with Eve’s post for the reasons you mentioned. I agree with Amy’s post in that (which you also state) is that Eve’s opinions are very narrowminded.

    Believe it or not, I am one of those guys that wouldn’t just jump in bed with any chick. More so, I’m proud to admit that. Looking at any chick storing her for mental fantasy is a different, subject, but I am not about casual sex.

    However, women DO call the shots with sex. It’s a simple fact. The overwhelming majority of men WOULD have sex with a woman if she were like ‘do me now’.

    I’m not sure how that is necessarily a bad thing. If I were a girl, I would use that to my advantage whenever and wherever I needed it.

    #75 | Comment by smash — September 7, 2003 @ 4:27 am

  76. Lizzie-

    The point Discommode made at near the beginning of this I think that you missed.

    This isn’t a site catering to STRICTLY intellectual discussion. If that is only why you are here, you’ve taken a wrong turn off of Google.com

    I wouldn’t accuse majority of the viewers of being immature. The majority of the regulars come here for fun and relaxation. Myself included.

    Serious discussions still occur, and there are plenty of comments here that show that, but jokes will spill through. Learn to ignore them.

    We don’t want a change. We don’t want this site becoming all serious and un-fun. I am like that enough in my real life, I don’t need it here.

    At no point though, have I ever really felt this place is misogynistic. There are more female POSTERS than male. Plus Justin is like at least half-queer.

    #76 | Comment by smash — September 7, 2003 @ 4:32 am

  77. Hear hear.

    A misogynistic website run by a little girl? I don’t think so.

    Hm… if Justin’s a little girl (He is: Remember Teehee and Colin Farrel) would that make him an underage lesbian?

    #77 | Comment by Kingollf — September 7, 2003 @ 5:01 am

  78. Vin Diesel is an asshole.

    #78 | Comment by Bubba — September 7, 2003 @ 5:08 am

  79. What Smash said!

    I read this site daily, not for Bang-Bus p/w, not for Porn, but for this kind of commentary, Justin’s DVD reviews, and I enjoy sitting at my computer and laughing sometimes. Thess, Eve, Becca, Amy(s), all add greatly to the content that Justin has provided here.

    Not all guys are in the "Fuck me, Fuck Me" category. I have been married for 15 years, and have never, not once, cheated on my wife. I wasn’t raised that way. Am I a prude now, I don’t know maybe I am, but I know that I sure as hell didn’t used to be.
    For all of you people that do contibute to this website, keep in mind that given the amount of hits that Justin gets, only a fractional amount of the visitors ever comment. Your contributions are one of the reasons they come here.

    Keep up the great work.

    #79 | Comment by AKA Postal — September 7, 2003 @ 5:21 am

  80. Okay, I’ve never been one to say fuck me, fuck me;after that comment however, I think I want to hump AKA Postal. Those were some truly beautiful words man.(I’m seriously not being sarcastic, except the I want to hump you part.) It makes me feel like the end of How The Grinch Stole Christmas. Don’t ask me why, it just does. If it’s any consolation to you, you have put a smile on my face. ๐Ÿ™‚

    #80 | Comment by Bubba — September 7, 2003 @ 6:12 am

  81. I thought it might be time I popped in with whatever I had to say here. I have my own private matters right now that are causing a disruption in my life, so dealing with Amy wasn’t exactly my #1 priority.

    "Conveniently, “decent” women turn out to be chicks who like sex exactly as Eve does."

    Yup, you’re so right on Amy. Man, you KNOW me like no other. How hard and with what distortion glass did you read my article? Apparently you didn’t understand the concept of taking a light view (and a fun one) to popular subject or seeing that what I wrote was not "BE LIKE EVE, I GET THE MEN". It was in no way a book of instruction on how to be a sexual person by perfect standards. It was about pointing out what I saw 200% more than what I thought.

    I thought it was kind of cute how you pinned down every word I said with .. what?.. like 200 more of your own to clarify your point. In the end I didn’t see your point, I just saw that you didn’t like what I had to say.

    I have a problem with you taking my article and making it a person attack on me and what message I may be trying to send to people. Not one word in that article, even underlying, mentioned one way of how I like to be fucked, how often, how, or how many men or women a person is allowed to fuck to called a slut or a prude. My article was about maybe suggesting that labels shouldn’t be used and why they were unfair. And about making suggestions of how maybe sex can be more fun.

    Your complete over seriousness and complete word for word psycho-ANALisis was mind numbing.

    And for your future comments: critic is 100% fine with me. I don’t think any different of you now than I did before. I’m not pissed and I enjoy another view, but I think you complete hit off base.

    #81 | Comment by eve — September 7, 2003 @ 6:38 am

  82. Justin’s bootleg VCDs =$2.00
    Eve’s bikini in the original post =$4.65
    Bubba gets emotional = priceless!!!

    #82 | Comment by Discommode — September 7, 2003 @ 6:41 am

  83. I <3 Eve

    #83 | Comment by bligityblah — September 7, 2003 @ 9:26 am

  84. Eve —

    I understand the concept of lightness and fun; I just didn’t think your Sex and Gender rant had either. I actually thought it was pretty hostile (even more so than mine).

    I say tomato, you say off-base attack.

    I’m glad you’re not pissed. I’m also glad you don’t think of me any different (although I wasn’t aware you had already formed an opinion.)

    Peace.

    #84 | Comment by Amy — September 7, 2003 @ 9:51 am

  85. AMY… I have an OPINION of you.

    You’re a complete dipshit. A waste of any loosely assembled molecules that might popularly be labled a human being.

    Please shut up. You’ve had plenty of time to spout off. Enough already.

    #85 | Comment by limpweed — September 7, 2003 @ 11:17 am

  86. hey limpdick I have an OPINION of you too.

    You’re a complete dipshit. A waste of any loosely assembled molecules that might popularly be labled a human being.

    Please shut up. You’ve had plenty of time to spout off. Enough already.

    #86 | Comment by Pump — September 7, 2003 @ 12:01 pm

  87. eaugh. ive finally re-read eve’s post. read amy’s post. and then read everyone else’s posts/comments/whatever.

    and all i wanted to do is ask if anyone has ever read/seen/heard of the "ladder theory".

    wait. that doesnt have anything to do with anything does it.

    or does it?

    #87 | Comment by connect n0w — September 7, 2003 @ 12:41 pm

  88. limpweed —

    If I disgust you so much, you should probably stop reading the comments to the post I wrote.

    Relax.

    I don’t give a fuck about you. So you wasting time forming an opinion about me (while flattering) is absolutely unnecessary.

    #88 | Comment by Amy — September 7, 2003 @ 1:21 pm

  89. all of this analytical stuff makes my head hurt. besides, how can the topic wander off from a friendly movie where nipples are cut off to some big essay-post? no more!!

    #89 | Comment by radish01001 — September 7, 2003 @ 1:24 pm

  90. I agree with radish.

    It’s high time Justin posted something about nipple slicing. (Or preferably, something about uncut nipples)

    Because this topic is done.

    #90 | Comment by Amy — September 7, 2003 @ 1:27 pm

  91. Amen, sister.

    ๐Ÿ™‚

    #91 | Comment by radish01001 — September 7, 2003 @ 1:31 pm

  92. What the fuck is your problem pump, you come here out of nowhere, start throughing your little dick around like you own the fucking place. Go sit in the corner and beat off some more you fucking jackass. If actually thought I was being serious, and not trying to be funny, your a complete fucking moron. Never post again you steaming pile or horse shit, your nothing but a complete waste of fucking skin. God damn fanboy.

    Your calling people on here stupid? At least use some form of capitalization and punctuation, loser.

    Yes, Crouching Tiger Hiden Dragon did suck the fat hind tit.

    #92 | Comment by pangwinking — September 7, 2003 @ 2:08 pm

  93. I would still like to have Amy fuck me, she seems good enough for my penis.

    #93 | Comment by pangwinking — September 7, 2003 @ 2:10 pm

  94. punctuate this up your sphincterร‚ย fat boy

    *middle finger*

    #94 | Comment by Pump — September 7, 2003 @ 2:16 pm

  95. Ummm, I do not like fingers up my sphincter. Best use it on your ass.

    #95 | Comment by pangwinking — September 7, 2003 @ 2:22 pm

  96. I am thuroughly enjoying these comments you funny, funny fucks…

    …and in Pang’s case, fat fucks….

    #96 | Comment by PacManJesus — September 7, 2003 @ 2:29 pm

  97. Thanks for throwing in the fat thing, I love you subeJnaMcaZ.

    #97 | Comment by pangwinking — September 7, 2003 @ 2:32 pm

  98. I’m not going to bed until I see 100 comments, god damn it!

    (I guess this will do it.)

    Night.

    #98 | Comment by Amy — September 7, 2003 @ 2:37 pm

  99. Can I come to bed with you? Please?

    #99 | Comment by pangwinking — September 7, 2003 @ 2:50 pm

  100. all these comments and no damn boobs…sigh

    #100 | Comment by bligityblah — September 7, 2003 @ 2:52 pm

  101. I will show you my big sweaty man boobs if you want?

    #101 | Comment by pangwinking — September 7, 2003 @ 3:03 pm

  102. No thanks, I have nightmares as it is.

    #102 | Comment by bligityblah — September 7, 2003 @ 3:06 pm

  103. Amy – the only thing hostile about my article is how you read it. Maybe you read it a little too strongly through Jane’s eyes? Once again, the distortion glass.

    #103 | Comment by eve — September 7, 2003 @ 9:49 pm

  104. Interesting discussion. Both rants hit on something that has always bugged me though.

    Women that have or have had a lot of partners get a raw deal most of the time. This is silly, nobody ever learned to be a good lover watching TV. Eve points out that this happens and that it’s not fair but falls right into it. Amy does take issue with it but kind of qualifies her opinion. If you are dating someone and their past sex life bothers you, learn to deal with it. As long as you don’t think your partner is reckless or deceitful their prior experience will probably be to your benefit.

    If you end up with a guy that is selfish or clumsy in bed tell him, "you suck at going down, next time….". The reason he doesn’t do it or do it well is probably because he’s never had much practice. It’s pretty weird until you get the hang of it, much as I assume blowjobs are.

    If you meet a guy that can’t deal with your sex life then toss him. His loss. I like dirty girls, I like waking up to find I’m handcuffed to the bed. Other guys do too, lots of em. Find somebody who likes you the way you want to be.

    #104 | Comment by AJS — September 8, 2003 @ 2:32 am

  105. I still say that all this _discussion_ means no action…

    and since we are talking about sex, people seem to not get laid enough.

    Okay, now today-as homework-I want you all to go out and get altoids, fruit roll ups, and whipped cream, and a partner. Have fun. Goodnight.

    Jk

    #105 | Comment by Jimmy Knuckles — September 8, 2003 @ 2:41 am

  106. Damn. I missed 100. Oh well.

    Thess, I love you because you are a spiteful, boobless (I can’t vouch for that) bitch. ๐Ÿ™‚

    #106 | Comment by grud — September 8, 2003 @ 9:38 pm

  107. Eve-

    If I had read your article through Jane’s eyes, I would have swallowed everything you said without question. You’re a woman, and beause of that, I wouldn’t be allowed to question you.

    But, you see, I’m my own chick.

    It’s because I’m allowed to question the philosophy of my stepmother that I could comment on the hostility of your post.

    I no longer have to think I should agree with you because we both have ovaries. Because I stopped looking through a "distortion glass" I saw your post for what it was.

    Arrogant, hostile and insulting.

    #107 | Comment by Amy — September 9, 2003 @ 1:22 am

  108. I’ll get the oil and the gloves.

    #108 | Comment by pangwinking — September 9, 2003 @ 4:00 am

  109. Personally, I didn’t find it insulting OR hostile.

    (Arrogant is an entirely different story, but I <3 Eve, and as such, some things are just understood.)

    #109 | Comment by thess — September 9, 2003 @ 4:04 am

  110. It’s thess……sigh……;)

    #110 | Comment by grud — September 9, 2003 @ 4:42 am

  111. I realized I should offer an explanation about "Jane" (for anyone still checking these comments.)

    Jane is (was) my stepmother. Gone for 17 years, she serves as my imperfect feminist hero. I write about her on my Web site, which is where Eve learned her name. Upon stumbling upon this little nugget, of course, Eve came back here to drop her name. But don’t let that fool you. She is not making this personal.

    Personal would be… I don’t know… posting a comment just to bring up someone’s dead parent.

    #111 | Comment by Amy — September 9, 2003 @ 4:52 am

  112. Amy seems determined to get 150 comments, and I want to help her, but, there hasn’t been a noteworthy comment since mine (now,that’s arrogant, hostile, and insulting), so I think we,me, should have a go at Becca’s contribution.

    I want to nitpick first and say that I dont think they dumped you because of a double standard. People judge and accept others for different and varying reasons, and it seems to me that part of your charm to them was their belief that you were "just like" them.
    When they discovered you weren’t, they said, and I think it was Tom Petty who said it first; "don’t come around here no more".
    They however judged the guy on different merits, so their continuing relationship was based on whatever that is/was.
    Hope that made sense.

    One of your general issues however is the whole you get to be a star when you fuck around, I (your gender) get to be a slut.
    Well so freaking what?!!!
    It is amusing that women even debate this point because none of you want to have so many multiple partners to be characterised a slut.
    The fact is a man who does it is also a slut, we just prefer not to bore him with the facts.
    It’s not like we introduce those guys to our sisters.
    Sometimes we confuse different standards as double standards, and in this case women are just held to a different standard, and as I said before I dont think there is any difference at all.

    We have different standards all the time, when we hire, when we imprison, etc, etc, so lets not have women running around the place saying:

    I want to fuck a hundred women and be a stud, and be glorified

    because men like me would say ad infinitum

    you’re still a fucking slut

    #112 | Comment by Discommode — September 9, 2003 @ 5:13 am

  113. "I want to fuck a hundred women and be a stud, and be glorified"

    Me and my fantasies again, sigh.

    I meant a hundred men of course.

    Somehow the correction makes me look like I want to fuck a hundred men.
    I don’t, I really really don’t.

    #113 | Comment by Discommode — September 9, 2003 @ 5:22 am

  114. Back-pedaling doesn’t work in politics either, sorry Dis.

    #114 | Comment by bligityblah — September 9, 2003 @ 12:11 pm

  115. Those are some awesome pictures of Eve. I’m not generally Mr. Picture Sloberer, but those were great.

    #115 | Comment by grud — September 9, 2003 @ 6:24 pm

  116. Blah blah bliggity fucking blah…

    Everybody sucks, except Disco…

    Point – Counterpoint, who really gives a flying rat’s ass. Amy seems awfully sensitive to the plights of the neighborhood hoebag… coincidence? I’m not quite sure. It’s amazing to me that some of the people here have enough time in their fleeting lives to engage themselves in lengthy preposterousness like this… Especially this Dave B. guy… what a friggin chump!! (By and by, dear fellow, I would not presume, if I were you, to tell me how long my Johnson is. You might just be surprised)

    Oh, Justin, I am really a super big fan of your site!! (thanks in no small part to Bubba linking you) and I’m happy to see you posting here too. Maybe if I stroke you off a bit more, you might give me some special attention. Ignore these children. They obviously haven’t matured enough to appreciate good writing.

    It would be nice to see some intelligent debate going on here for once…. Like using phrases such as "Good writing".

    I know that I sure enjoy good writing! I mean there has been some really good writing going on in this post! Disco’s stuff was really good and he had some good things to say!! That was really good. I had a good time reading his good writing more than most of the other good stuff. Bubba had some really good stuff too. I had a good time reading that good writing too. Amy’s writing, it did not strike me as being to good, though. I just didnt really feel that special goodness when I read it. Eve always makes good points. She has a good way of expressing herself in a clear and well thought out manner. It would be good to see her back here more. Pangwinking wasnt so much good writing as it was good for a good laugh.

    Counterpoint –

    Who the fuck really needs a, "Imperfect Feminist Hero"

    Sounds to me like life would be a little less complicated, and a whole lot more enjoyable, without one

    Counterpoint #2 –

    The maturity / immaturity debate… What the fuck?? Go read the New York Post or the Wall Street Journal for Christ’ sake. This is a personal website ran by a college student. This is not the Innercity Shakespear Societey’s presentation of MacBeth.

    This site is supposed to be fun for people…Isn’t it?

    Did I mention that Disco kicks ass?

    #116 | Comment by embus — September 10, 2003 @ 2:19 am

  117. You could have saved a lot of time and words if you just said you bracket-three Eve, and you want to hump Justin and discommode.

    So, embus, why don’t you go fuck yourself?! That would be really good! It would be even gooder if you thought about being the meat in a Justin/discommode sandwich while you did it!

    "Man"wiches make really good meals! That’s what they say on my TV! And TV is fun, right?! TV is GOOD fun.

    You’re so insightful in that really great "I don’t really give a fuck" kinda way! Who gives a flying rat’s ass? Not you, that’s for sure! If you did, why would you use so many words to prove you don’t?!

    Your comment was the goodest.

    Yes. It was.

    #117 | Comment by Amy — September 10, 2003 @ 2:53 am

  118. Bus!

    Hey Amy, you forgot about me. You can forget Pang, but don’t forget me. I rock….hard.

    That is all.

    #118 | Comment by Bubba — September 10, 2003 @ 4:53 am

  119. All apologies, Bubba, you do indeed rock hard. As does Pang. I less than three you both.

    #119 | Comment by Amy — September 10, 2003 @ 5:38 am

  120. No, no, no, you got it all wrong. I rock, Pang rolls…’Cause he’s fat.

    Okay, that really is it…for now.

    #120 | Comment by Bubba — September 10, 2003 @ 8:24 am

  121. …. you’re too quick for me, Bubba. You handed me the opening for the joke on a silver platter, and I missed it.

    #121 | Comment by Amy — September 10, 2003 @ 8:32 am

  122. *pang wink*

    It’s okay, I really didn’t expect you to hand me that joke; considering I told you to forget Pang. Seriously though, forget Pang; he’s a stupid fat dumb-head. I wonder if I can get this to 150 comments?

    #122 | Comment by Bubba — September 10, 2003 @ 9:04 am

  123. So I’m sitting here fucking myself and thinking about being the meat in a Justin/discommode sandwich, and it hits me… "What does Amy look like naked?"

    Needless to say, at that particular moment in time, I stopped fucking myself. Not even the titillating though of being the spicy salami in a Justin / Discommode "Man"wich could get the motion back in my ocean. Thanks a lot Amy. Thanks a whole damn lot.

    I’ll send you a tasteful little shot of me shitting out some chili con carne onto a My Little Pony "Happy Birthday" cake if your looking for some insight…Because the Good Lord knows that nothing insightful ever came out of MY other end.

    #123 | Comment by embus — September 10, 2003 @ 2:44 pm

  124. Why the hell would you think of me during your hot man-on-man-on-man action? That doesn’t make a lot of sense. You should avoid thinking about girls and their girl bodies during your gay fantasies.

    You’re trying way too hard, what with working chili con carne, My Little Pony, and birthday cake into the same sentence. Way too forced to even come close to funny.

    #124 | Comment by Amy — September 10, 2003 @ 8:12 pm

  125. 127

    #125 | Comment by grud — September 10, 2003 @ 11:04 pm

  126. Yes, I’m analytical. But you should learn to take it like a man.

    If there’s one thing I know to be true… all really clever Internet people start sentences with "Me thinks". That’s their way of establishing right up front — I am clever, original and cool.

    I’m sorry it took so long for me to see your comic genius.

    #126 | Comment by Amy — September 11, 2003 @ 1:38 am

  127. 130

    #127 | Comment by grud — September 11, 2003 @ 3:18 am

  128. Hey!

    I use "me thinks", albeit as one word, cause that’s how Sahkespeere did it.

    #128 | Comment by Seriously — September 11, 2003 @ 4:06 am

  129. Take what like a man?? You want me to take your analytical nature like a man? You are really losing it here, sweetheart. Oh, and your childish attempt on a jab at my "manhood" is pathetically desperate…yet still amusing in a masochistic kind of way. Me thinks you need a good spanking!! And I happen to have it on good authority that I am just clever, original, and cool enough for you to let me!!

    xoxoxoxo

    #129 | Comment by embus — September 11, 2003 @ 4:15 am

  130. Nothing against you Seriously, but come on… I bet you say ‘methinks’ right before you’re about to say something you think is highly amusing and/or clever, no?

    I think it’s one of the most overused expressions on the Internet. (Right up there with the Ben Franklin quote about liberty and safety.)

    #130 | Comment by Amy — September 11, 2003 @ 4:26 am

  131. I don’t use "me thinks," and I am still highly amusing and/or clever! Reee!!!

    I have to say though: Seriously and M-Bus are some of the most funny people around these parts. That being written, I must assume this is just some crazy ploy to get to 150/200 comments. You’re on your way…

    #131 | Comment by Bubba — September 11, 2003 @ 4:50 am

  132. I’m cranky by day … my cubicle makes me crazy, and it’s been 2 and a half hours since I had a cigarette.

    BUT — me thinks it’s 5:00.

    #132 | Comment by Amy — September 11, 2003 @ 5:02 am

  133. omg pwned!

    I really think that "methinks" ain’t the most common annoying phrase on the web.

    asl?

    I don’t see the Ben Franklin quote much either, I think we inhabit two different internets.

    u r teh suk++

    But I trust that in your internet, it’s an annoying thing.

    lolololololololololol

    Just saying.

    #133 | Comment by Seriously — September 11, 2003 @ 8:33 am

  134. 137

    There was no point to the previous post.

    #134 | Comment by Seriously — September 11, 2003 @ 8:34 am

  135. The last twenty posts have been hilarious.

    Amy!!! unblock me so I can tell you how much I enjoyed August on your site. I must have spent an hour there this evening.

    Yes gentlemen, she has blocked me on AIM. I told you it’s deja vu.
    Look for the Adam is stalking me post in the next few days.

    #135 | Comment by Discommode — September 11, 2003 @ 11:10 am

  136. Seriously —

    Ah, yes. I have visted your Internet. It frightened me.

    (Not that the people who say methinks and quote founding fathers aren’t as scary.)

    There was no point to this either. But, what the fuck…. 138.

    #136 | Comment by Amy — September 11, 2003 @ 11:14 am

  137. with this post I pay respect to my fellow Englishmen and Trinidadians who died on 9/11 at the WTC and The Pentagon.

    #137 | Comment by Discommode — September 11, 2003 @ 11:16 am

  138. wheeeeeeeee!!
    I just had Amy in a Discommode sandwich (see above). Tastes a little rancid though, she must have just got home from work.

    #138 | Comment by Discommode — September 11, 2003 @ 11:18 am

  139. Your name is Adam?

    Hi Adam.

    I’m glad you enjoyed August. But I didn’t block you cause I thought you’d stalk me, I blocked you because you were insulting the hell out of me.

    I prefer being insulted publicly. As mentioned, that’s more fun for me.

    #139 | Comment by Amy — September 11, 2003 @ 11:20 am

  140. SEE, public putdowns are much more fun.

    #140 | Comment by Amy — September 11, 2003 @ 11:22 am

  141. "your name is Adam?"

    what the fuck did you mean by that?
    ,and especially followed by

    "Hi Adam"

    Listen missy, Amy isn’t exactly the name with which parents are rushing to christen their daughters.

    And don’t say I am too sensitive………..

    #141 | Comment by Discommode — September 11, 2003 @ 11:40 am

  142. Wow. Talk about digging deep!! Me thinks you wouldnt know funny if it farted up your nose. Your keen analytical powers of observation are no match for me. It is painfully obvious that you are jealous of my likeably random humour. It’s ok, though… Keep your chin up and try again!! Maybe next time you’ll be able to pin the tail on my donkey.

    But probably not.

    Are you always such a party pooper? Remind me to not invite you to my next Box Social… I wouldn’t want you chastising the help…

    #142 | Comment by embus — September 11, 2003 @ 12:45 pm

  143. Aye, what’s going on? I thought you two were going to kiss and make fuck? Oh well, wishful thinking on my part I guess.

    -Seriously/Amy

    My internet is fantastic, because it’s mine! Eeeee hee hee hee hee heeeee, and because I ruuuule baaaby! I rocket so hard I tip it over! Reee!!!!!!!

    #143 | Comment by Bubba — September 11, 2003 @ 1:46 pm

  144. 146 YOU TWINKIE LOVING BITCHES…

    I am no psychologist, but it seems to me that negativity seems to follow Amy like a crotch sniffing dog. Maybe there is something in her persona that invites the stabs of the masses… maybe not.

    I have met more inviting people in my life… like the dentist, or my proctologist…the priest who used to play Hide the Communion Wafers with me…

    #144 | Comment by embus — September 11, 2003 @ 2:03 pm

  145. embus,

    It doesn’t take a shrink to realize that I like the abuse. Thanks for playing.

    #145 | Comment by Amy — September 11, 2003 @ 2:19 pm

  146. "I have met more inviting people in my life… like the dentist, or my proctologist…the priest who used to play Hide the Communion Wafers with me…"

    Wow my friend…wow. You always have a way of making me giggle like a little girl. Is the fighting over? Is it done?

    Not remotely my…..oh shit, time for some more pick me ups. It’s going to be a loooooooong day/night.

    Fucking preposterous, somebody wake up Disco; I need some entertainment. Until then, I play the game and eat the food.

    #146 | Comment by Bubba — September 11, 2003 @ 3:21 pm

  147. 149

    Whoever wants it can take it.

    #147 | Comment by grud — September 11, 2003 @ 6:09 pm

  148. Bah, I guess I’ll take it. Oh, yay, 150 comments! Now, nobody ever has to comment here again. Yippity skippity!

    THE END!

    #148 | Comment by Bubba — September 12, 2003 @ 1:32 am

  149. Why not??

    150 YOU ROMPER ROOM REGECTS!!!

    Thank you all so much for your assistance in letting me get this far. Really, the list is to long to post here. I have to thank the Almighty Jesus Christ, because without him none of this would be possible. My mom and dad for always believing in me. Bubba, Discommode, for posting when nobody else cared. Jim Spiegle, my production manager… Thanks for the Long Johns, baby!!! And my fans!! (Pause for generous applause) My fans!!! I love you all so much!! I would be nothing without you!!! Fight the good fight!!

    #149 | Comment by embus — September 12, 2003 @ 1:34 am

  150. OMG Bubba. You same-time-typer. Right about now I hate you. I hate you to death. You’re always stealing the black man’s glory… Whats up with that?

    #150 | Comment by embus — September 12, 2003 @ 1:36 am

  151. Bubba has powers I tell you.

    Still laughing at the lame-ass speech as Bubba walked off with the award.

    Priceless!!!!

    Thanking your production manager for the Long Johns?
    Hahahahaha.

    #151 | Comment by Discommode — September 12, 2003 @ 1:50 am

  152. Yippity skippity…

    …is MY PHRASE…

    …asshole

    #152 | Comment by Seriously — September 12, 2003 @ 1:58 am

  153. Nyahahhahahhaaa! Fuck you both! Yippity skippity that bitches!

    That’s fucking funny Busman…I’m sorry mate.

    As for Seriously: You don’t even remotely use Yippity skippity enough, bizitchnish. Yeah, that’s right, a made up insult just for you. What are ya going to do, cry to Thess? Eeeee hee hee hee! Probably not, but I would laugh if you did. You should do it….just to make me laugh. I’ll make it worth it mate. It will be a great laugh! Come on now…

    embustwo: I’m mad at you
    Teh Bubba: me?
    Teh Bubba: what i do now?
    embustwo: we both were typing the 150 post at the same time
    Teh Bubba: hahhaa
    Teh Bubba: i won
    embustwo: yah
    embustwo: prick
    Teh Bubba: gyahahhahahaa
    embustwo: What a Jackass I am
    embustwo: I’m all "150…Yayayayayaya

    Bahahhahahahaaa, sorry Bus but that’s some fucking funny shit.

    I’m going to take a piss now…

    #153 | Comment by Bubba — September 12, 2003 @ 2:13 am

  154. 150 comments are bullshit when the AUTHOR of the post has commented 30+ in her own post.

    #154 | Comment by smash — September 12, 2003 @ 6:35 am

  155. A search of "Posted by Amy" tells me 25.

    Um, 26.

    So, bite me smash. Bite me hard.

    Please?

    #155 | Comment by Amy — September 12, 2003 @ 6:59 am

  156. oooOOOooo… Me first Smash!!! Bite ME first!!!! I want a moustache ride too!!!!

    #156 | Comment by embus — September 12, 2003 @ 7:24 am

  157. Damn. Does that mean we don’t have a true 158, and we really have a 132?

    #157 | Comment by grud — September 12, 2003 @ 6:40 pm

  158. No.

    133.

    #158 | Comment by Seriously — September 12, 2003 @ 11:14 pm

  159. Really? I thought it was more like 134…

    #159 | Comment by embus — September 13, 2003 @ 1:01 am

  160. Amy-

    Where do you want to be bitten at?

    #160 | Comment by smash — September 13, 2003 @ 1:53 am

  161. smash — In spite of embus referring to "moustache rides", nowhere too tender, please.

    #161 | Comment by Amy — September 13, 2003 @ 5:40 am

  162. I gotta have the last word in this…

    …ahem…

    OMG CONTROVERSY I’M HELA ANGRY!!!!!11!1111!111ONEONEONEONE!!

    RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

    #162 | Comment by Serioulsy — September 20, 2003 @ 2:40 am

  163. well after reading both Amy’s & Eve’s rants on the whole "slut/decent female" & also all the comments … i come to conclude that all men don’t want the same thing !!! now i don’t know what all men want (must be carefull what i say people here jump down throuts quickly)but 1 thing i could say is that men want the best of both worlds … they want the 1 nightstand with a kinky "slut" that screams & yells out "fuck me , fuck me hard " also on the other hand they want to walk down the isle with a nice descent women … well gentlemen as we found out here we win once again & the choice is YOURS !!!

    #163 | Comment by freddy — December 5, 2003 @ 6:00 am

  164. read my books, nublets kthx

    #164 | Comment by judithbutler — December 25, 2003 @ 3:01 pm

  165. Hey if there are any NUDE fakes or pics of Lindsay Lohan PLEASE tell me WHERE!!!!!!!!!!
    here: himynameisdva@msn.com

    #165 | Comment by Ballard — February 14, 2004 @ 11:48 am

  166. Hey something else. Is that photo with the nine hottest teen stars of teh momento REAL or is it just a FAKE?(a really good one)

    #166 | Comment by Ballard — February 14, 2004 @ 11:52 am

  167. Whoa.

    That’s really all I can say.

    I thought it was a decently written post.

    #167 | Comment by thefelinepunk — March 17, 2004 @ 9:51 am

  168. yep now its clear, Pump is Amy’s angry alter ego, and Amy, booby size jelousy can be solved in ways other then counter articles

    #168 | Comment by Boby Bigcock — April 25, 2004 @ 7:23 pm

  169. hmmm…
    Both this post and the original post by Eve are crap.
    Most women and men don’t care anything about the relationship itself, they only care about themselves. This entire world is getting so much into self-gratification it’s pathetic.
    Personally I would rather be with someone who wanted to be with me no matter what, a relationship where we cared and loved each other deeply and were serious about commitment.
    Part of the joy of sex is discovering what each other likes, and what we ourselves like, not looking for a mate who is already so totally "educated" that there is no more undiscovered country for them.
    Oh… and BTW, I’m in my forties, so I’m not speaking as a kid. And regarding my current relationshop status, my girlfriend said I was the best she’s ever had (I know how to do some great things after reading a few books written by women) but she left… saying the relationshop "wasn’t perfect" (whatever the h*ll that means)…
    What I find really irritates me about the state of current human sexuality, is why is everything targetted to how large (or small) a man’s penis is? What about the size of a woman’s vagina? Maybe some of them should get their’s reduced instead of some men always having to use enlargement methods.
    It’s like how birth control has swung over to being man’s responsibility with condom’s vs women with the pill/patch etc.
    FYI I’m speaking strictly from a male vs female society, I don’t require any enlargement (6.75" here, any woman who doubts it is free to come and measure it).

    #169 | Comment by deegee — September 7, 2004 @ 5:06 am

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