Bill O'Reilly vs Michael Moore

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Post by the other » 31 Jul 2004 12:45

Potee wrote: The main reason we didn't take Saddam out during the first Gulf war was because we weren't there to take Saddam out, we were there to liberate Kuwait.  Technically, we're not suppoused to assassinate leaders unless we announce we are there to take them out.
Personally, I think another reason we didn't take Saddam out during the Gulf War was because if we had, one of his sons would have taken power (the younger one, whatever his name is, the one who didn't get shot and suffer brain damage)  and things would have gotten a shitload worse.
And you're right, Kim Jockstrap Il is definetly a few fries short of a Happy Meal.  But we can't take him out either because North Korea will go nuts and one of his generals, who also has his finger on the big red button, will launch nukes against us and South Korea.  That's also why we don't take out Yasser Arafat or Modamar Khadafi (head of Libya); the whole fucking mideast will go nuts and start launching everything they have against Isreal.
Ok this question is not to argue but for me to try to understand.

But why did they chose Iraq, instead of any other country?

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Post by speakEz » 31 Jul 2004 12:49

Potee wrote:
speakEz wrote:no thats was all over the fucking news. Plus he didnt steal it he just took-off on it and i thought it was quite clever the way he used it!
Doesn't matter. The whole book is copywrited to hell and back, and to warp the title of Bradbury's book, or to use the idea of the title, which is what Moore did, you have to get expressed written permission from the publisher, who has to get permission from Bradbury's agent, who has to get permission from Ray Bradbury. So yes, Moore used it illegally, but he's been diefied by the media so no one dares attack him except Fox News and Dennis Miller.

And I still say we did the right thing going into Iraq (although it would be nice if at least 1 intellignce agency could wipe their own asses without a instruction manual), and that Moore is an asswipe.
dude your an asswipe soooooooo fuck YOU you fuckin fuck!

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Post by The Zot » 31 Jul 2004 12:55

just realized something. Moore says in the interview "I can think of nothing worse than lying to the nation." Perhaps some of you will know who said this: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman. Miss Lewinsky"
Potee you are one major asswipe. How can you compare lying about a blowjob to lying about the reasons to go to war. The only thing that died for Clinton's lie was ten million sperm....

Fucktard, you got so wound up over this one, I bet you're sitting at your computer yanking your little wee wee over that rant.....get a life.

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Post by The Colonel » 31 Jul 2004 12:59

How did this turn into a fight over if we should have gone into Iraq? The thread is about who won the argument, not who shares your personal beliefs. Learn to differentiate and then respond.

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Post by guymontag » 31 Jul 2004 13:15

Michael Moore did NOT rip the title "Fahrenheit 911" off of Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451! 911 degrees fahrenheit is the temperature at which fat-assed film-makers with little to no talent burn! Michael chose the title cuz it hit close to home. :D

Seriously though, Bush bashing has become some big fad now where most people do it because it's the cool thing to do, and not because they have any political opinion at all. And if Kerry becomes president, I'm moving to Canada...or hope that Edwards somehow kills him off and becomes the prez instead. Have a nice day, and flame away at the new guy...I can handle it. (And by that I mean I'm a pansy and won't fight back.) ;)
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Post by ruprechtjones » 31 Jul 2004 13:22

I can only hope that they fought each other to the death, and they both died. Now here is where I'm right and you're wrong: Potee get a fucking clue and read the news once in a while. Your revelations are about six months old and hold no relevance to this discussion. Did you read about Bradbury's outcries? Did you pick up a fucking newspaper? Next!

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Post by the other » 31 Jul 2004 13:31

guymontag wrote:

Seriously though, Bush bashing has become some big fad now where most people do it because it's the cool thing to do, and not because they have any political opinion at all. And if Kerry becomes president, I'm moving to Canada...or hope that Edwards somehow kills him off and becomes the prez instead. Have a nice day, and flame away at the new guy...I can handle it. (And by that I mean I'm a pansy and won't fight back.) ;)
I'm sorry when did it become a fad. Because I was doing it when he was governor of Texas.

And how many people really plan to move to Canada if Kerry gets elected, and how many are going to live up to that?

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Post by Download-This » 31 Jul 2004 13:34

the other wrote:
guymontag wrote:

Seriously though, Bush bashing has become some big fad now where most people do it because it's the cool thing to do, and not because they have any political opinion at all. And if Kerry becomes president, I'm moving to Canada...or hope that Edwards somehow kills him off and becomes the prez instead. Have a nice day, and flame away at the new guy...I can handle it. (And by that I mean I'm a pansy and won't fight back.) ;)
I'm sorry when did it become a fad. Because I was doing it when he was governor of Texas.

And how many people really plan to move to Canada if Kerry gets elected, and how many are going to live up to that?
i've already registered a @canada.com email address bro. i'm pretty damned close!
(but only if Bush is re-elected. :wicked:
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Post by mach189 » 31 Jul 2004 13:39

Nothing makes me laugh harder than when people call Moore a liar immediately followed by the words fatass, fat bastard, fat fuck, etc. The movie has been out for a while now and the best thing the right-wingers can come up with is that the date is wrong on a newspaper headline. Keep trying fuckfaces.

And another thing, doesn't it seem very fucking odd that someone like Bush and Cheney would criticize the war record of someone, who unlike them, went to war? That's like refusing to save someone from a burning building and calling the firefighter who saved them a pussy.

Whoever says O'Reilly "won" the argument with Moore is officially retarded. That was the worst interview ever!!! O'Reilly always talks shit about people not coming on his show because they're scared of him, but all he did was ask Moore to apologize to Bush. What an asshat.


Done with my rant. :P

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Post by guymontag » 31 Jul 2004 13:45

Nah I was just kidding....I'm not gonna move to Canada. You got me there. My post was just for fun anyway...didn't mean to interrupt the serious arguers...arguees...whatever. Please don't mind me...return to the discussion.

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Post by popezaphod » 31 Jul 2004 13:47

Potee wrote:Clinton lied to the nation when he said he didn't have an affair, and Moore said that there was nothing worse than lying to the nation.  (Clinton and Moore are both on the same side in this.)
Oh, please. I'd rather have a President who lied about having sex with a roomful of hookers while taking big bong hits than to have a President who lied about the reasons why we have to go bomb the brown people and take away as many of our civil liberties as he can get away with.

I simply do not understand people who think it's far worse to lie about a fucking blow job than to lie about why we have to go to war. Fucking morons, the lot of them. (And they're fucking without birth control, making more of their inbred cracker spawn.)

I love my country; it's the citizens I can do without.

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Post by vxvhedpevxv » 31 Jul 2004 14:06

Potee wrote:Am I the only person who noticed that Michael Moore stole his title from Ray Bradbury's book "Farenheight 451"?  Am I also the only one who noticed that Moore didn't have the right to use or parody Bradbuy's title in any way?  Bradbury gave an interview and said that, about a month after F 9/11 came out,  he got a call from Moore.  Moore was at a fucking party on the phone with one of the greatest authors of all time, whom he stole a title from, said, basically, "sorry", and hung up.  (In the interview, Moore calls Bush a criminal.  Last time I checked, plagarism is a crime.)
Michael Moore is an opportunist, plain and simple.  Let's look at his two best-known films:  Bowling for Columbine, and F 9/11.  Columbine is about that rash of school shootings back in 1998-1999, which was one of the big issues of the time that everyone was worried about.  Now along comes F 9/11, and holy shit, look was the movie is about and what the big debate is today.  He's just taking advantage of the most popular issue today, which is the definition of opportunism.  So, if he's so great at presenting issues, where are his films on AIDS in Africa, or child labor in Asia?  Nowhere to be found, because those aren't front-line issues.

I thought this was interesting in F 9/11.  Michael Moore says that Saddam never threatened the life of an American.  But later in the film he says that one of the reasons Bush went to war with Iraq is because Saddam tried to kill his father, Bush Sr.  Last time I checked, you had to be an American citizen to be President.

As to the "would you send your children..." argument, if you sign up for the military, you should know what you're getting yourself into.  You sign a shitload of forms that say you are willing to die to protect the nation.  No one forces you to.  To join the military, you either have to be 18, when you're an adult and you're parents aren't responsible for the choices you make, YOU are, or you can join at 17 when you have PARENT'S PERMISSION.  Henceforth, the "would you send your children..." argument goes straight out the window.

I just realized something.  Moore says in the interview "I can think of nothing worse than lying to the nation."  Perhaps some of you will know who said this:  "I did not have sexual relations with that woman.  Miss Lewinsky"

Edit:  Spelling
I think this guy gets the douchebag of the year award.
Dude, what the fuck are you talking about?? Go suck some more Bush dick, christ, you're riding his cock pretty hard there buddy. Plagarism?? Come fucking on. Best known films? Do you think every film makers first films become classics in an instant? Do you know how many films he even has out??? As for presenting issues... Africa? Asia? Hmmmm, well, it seems to me that the issues he has dealt with in EVERY one of his films, deal with things going on in the American culture. The slant-eyes working for 5 cents an hour don't bother, nor concern me... so why would someone make a movie on it? As for the military shit, it is manipulative of young kids of course. By no doubt is it their own fault that they join it and should fight, but check out a local interview of a family who's child is killed... "we never thought he/she would actually go out and fight, we just thought it would be a good opportunity to save money for college" You hear it time and time again. I have best friends doing this and I have absolutely no sympathy for them. Unless you're a gung-ho wackjob psyched on heading off to the military instead of an insecure, futureless, no-direction young kid... then the government will take advantage of your lack of any motivation to do something actually productive.
Man, you people are rediculous, I can't even see where an arguement is. O'Reilly is a loser, there is no doubt about it. He throws tantrum arguements and hissy fits. He cuts most people off who he doesn't agree with, acting like his points are justified. It's almost pointless to even argue any of this.


KERRY/EDWARDS '04

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Post by James Earl Jones » 31 Jul 2004 14:13

I don't like O'reilly to much, but he's entertaining to watch in a while. I'm not a fan of Moore either. But I'm about sick of people saying things like, "Oh Michael Moore is a fat pig."

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Post by Potee » 31 Jul 2004 14:17

Hey, perhaps you didn't hear, but the 9/11 commission cleared Bush of any lies or wrongdoing. The blame is being placed on intelligence agency fuckups. If you watched the interview, you would know that US, British and Russian intelligence all came up with the same answer. So, Bush didn't lie in the first place, he made a decision based on the data he was given, just like we're doing now. If someone gives you bad directions, and you pass those bad directions along to someone and they get lost, does that make you a liar? No, you made a mistake that wasn't even your fault.

On question. Why is that when people in debates can't think of an adequate response for a legitimate statement, they respond with an insult to the other person, such as: "Fucktard, you got so wound up over this one, I bet you're sitting at your computer yanking your little wee wee over that rant.....get a life."
If you can't think up an adequate response besides half-assed insults, just don't waste anyone's time.

I don't care what side you're on, discussions like this aren't about that. It's about how you defend your point of view. I like and respect anyone who can back up their opinion. Hell, I don't care if you like Al Sharpton as long as you defend your reasons adequately. Its when your ideas are based on the concept "Bush is a retard" and the only way you can back that up is with insults that it gets stupid.

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Post by Potee » 31 Jul 2004 14:22

Hey, vxvhedpevxv, how about you go make a post in the newbie into section first. If you don't care about the people who defend this country, then get the fuck out. If you have "best friends" over there fighting and you don't give a shit about them then you are both a jackass and a shitty friend as well. And, if you don't care about the "slant-eyes" then you should go over there and work, fucking racist.
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