Fahrenheit 9/11

Seriously · Post by **Seriously** » 28 Jun 2004 01:03

<span style='color:maroon'>I guess that's a no on the muting in the theaters, then.

I feel better now.

EDIT: Oh wait, that was another thread. Try again.

<span style='color:maroon'>Hey

I've heard that some theaters in Indiana would cut off the sound during the more controversial parts of Fahrenheit 9/11.

Is this bullshit?

Please say it is, that's just petty.</span>

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meatwad · Post by **meatwad** » 28 Jun 2004 01:08

It is simple. Who do you think the terrorists whould like to win the election?-and vote for the other guy! And justin, the reason you are a little jaded in who YOU would vote for is cause you like CNN (clinton news network). Fox News baby come on!

Post by **Justin** » 28 Jun 2004 01:10

they dont have FOX news on the other side of the world. =(

only CNN and BBC.

ivaj · Post by **ivaj** » 28 Jun 2004 01:12

BBC is the best news source, when compared to NBC, FOX, CBS, and even *shudder*CNN.

the other · Post by **the other** » 28 Jun 2004 01:22

See the Patiot Act isn't anything new to America or the world. The NSA has been doing this for decades. This was just proganda from the Bush administration, to make it look like we are doing something good. But it was already in place and not that many Americans knew about, why? because we didn't care. But as soon it wasn't a secret, some became afraid, and some realized that it was "good", and some realized that it ain't new. But when it comes down to it, it does give the gov't a warrant for you, at anytime, at anyplace, and anyhow....

But I want you to imagine this: you go into the doctor's office and get a routine physical, including blood test. Also with this blood test it is routine for them to check your HIV status, and it comes back negative. No big deal right. But say you want a federal job, such as fbi, cia, or even an airport screener. They will have access to all of that information, and they deny because they believe that you dwelve in risky behavior, thus is the reason you needed an aids test. Even though you are negative, but the test itself is enough to raise suspicion.

the other · Post by **the other** » 28 Jun 2004 01:28

ivaj wrote: BBC is the best news source, when compared to NBC, FOX, CBS, and even *shudder*CNN.

lies lies lies

everybody know Telemundo has the best new coverage in the world... :rolleyes:

Serra · Post by **Serra** » 28 Jun 2004 01:28

Justin wrote: they dont have FOX news on the other side of the world. =(

only CNN and BBC.

A far better source for news is Google News. They compile news listings from all over the world. You get all 100 sides of every issue and then it is up to you to figure out what is true and what is crap.

During the Gulf War II, I read both American news and Arab news so I could get both sides of the issues. It is fairly clear that the American side was much more honest than the Arab side, but I know both sides, so I can make rational assumptions about what was really going on.

As for the 7 minutes Bush took to leave the classroom...

Do you REALLY believe that the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES is required to oversee EVERYTHING that goes on? First off, there are police and military agencies that do all kinds of things and none of them need to call the President to find out what they should do. In fact, in a disaster like 9/11, it is best to let local and state agencies do their thing without huge federal over sight. The President needs to make policy, not direct disaster relief.

Plus the President was told that the Vice President was coordinating efforts for Washington. I find it far more likely that the President was told that a command/communication center was being set-up in a near by classroom so that he could talk to the VP/military/whatever and that it would take 7 or so minutes to get it all setup.

We do know that the President running from the room screaming wouldn't have left a very good impression on the childern or the television viewers. People like the President of the USA don't get scared and run away. It was far better for him to wait for communications and calmly walk out of the room when they were ready.

As I remember it, the President left the room, went to another classroom and had a meeting with Washington, then came out and gave a press conference and left for Air Force One. There is very little the President could have done. The second plane had already hit and the military had been ordered by the VP to shoot down any remaining hi-jacked planes.

What where you doing on 9/11? When I was told about the first plane, I didn't think it was a terrorist attack, I figured it was an accident. We started watching on TV and saw the second plane hit live. As it did, I turned to my co-worker and said, "Bin Laden is a dead man." He said, "Yep, they can't ignore this one." If I had known that as a result of the terror attack, that Afganistan and Iraq would have been freed, I would have at least been less said. For months before 9/11 I wondered what could be done with Afganistan. I didn't like what was going on over there, but I felt that the US didn't really have any way of getting over there to stop it. Thanks to Bin Laden, both Afganistan and Iraq are now free....

the other · Post by **the other** » 28 Jun 2004 01:42

As a non-bush supporter, and a friend to someone that just came back from iraq as a soldier, the people in iraq is not free, they only tell you about the checkpoints that are bombed, not the ones set up in areas where there are schools, mosques, or apartments. Where at any given time they can tell everyone they have to sleep in the streets and can't go home or go to school, or even pray. iraq is not free!

But you are right there was no way or means to stop the terrorist in the 9/11 tragedy. But the effort to contain the person behind it afterwards was the messed up part.

al k holik · Post by **al k holik** » 28 Jun 2004 01:58

Can any of you find an example of someone having their rights abused by the Patriot Act?

Watch the film: The older guy working out at the gym that responded to the threat bin Laden poses with something like, "not as big of a threat as Bush is." The next day, the guy's mid-afternoon nap is interrupted by the FBI Anti-Terorism Task Force at his door.

Then there's the artist / professor that calls an ambulance when he discovers that his wife died overnight. The emergency workers see his artworks, his medium being petri dishes, as well as other agricultural and scientific gear. Despite the fact he himself called the authorities, despite his wife had just passed away, despite the fact he had showed the work several time over the years, it was all consifcated and taken away, as well as his computers and files, and I'm not aware if he's gotten any of it back yet... <a href='http://www.guardian.co.uk/international ... 55,00.html' target='_blank'>read about it here!</a>

- Can someone explain to me the idea of 'signing up' your son to fight in Iraq? Does Michael Moore think 18 year olds are not able to have independant choice?

Again, watch the film. Moore follows two Marine recruiters through a mall parking lot, and does not interfere with their work. To me, it's the most interesting part of the film. I remember the same tactics from my high school days, so it was uncomfortable to watch.

Moore's movie bashes America's armed forces..The same ones that protect that fat bastard so he can keep eating doughnuts and lard.

God, WATCH THE FILM! Moore bashes the admin that created the atmosphere in which the war is fought! Yes, he shows troops acting in horribly unflattering and un-American ways, but his blame goes to the admin that breathes the life into them - the orders come from above. He doesn't blame the messenger (the soldiers) he blames the message and where it originates (the White House). Anyone that thinks Moore is a traitor for this film is blaming the messenger as well. And THEY PROBABLY HAVEN'T SEEN THE FILM.

Thanks to Bin Laden, both Afganistan and Iraq are now free....

Awesome. I wish I knew where to send the thank-you cards. Now if only they could free those poor American kids over there dying in this ridiculous, never-ending cesspool of a war.

the other · Post by **the other** » 28 Jun 2004 02:03

I remember the recruiters in high school calling me all the time...

I was tired of them, so I told them I was gay. They said "I won't tell if you don't tell." and this was before don't ask don't tell. BTW I'm not.

thatsmypanda · Post by **thatsmypanda** » 28 Jun 2004 02:38

why are his movies even considered documentarys?!?!

a documentary is defined as "Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional matter, as in a book or film.

ivaj · Post by **ivaj** » 28 Jun 2004 03:02

The movie is Anti-Bush, not Anti-Troops. He is trying to stop the war, and the killing so that the troops can come home to their families.

Nuzman · Post by **Nuzman** » 28 Jun 2004 03:55

ivaj wrote:The movie is Anti-Bush, not Anti-Troops. He is trying to stop the war, and the killing so that the troops can come home to their families.

Wakeup call time. You can't support the troops without supporting what they do.

Can you support the firefighters and at the same time tell them to leave the fire blazing?

Can you support the police while telling them to ignore the murderers, rapists, robbers and other thugs?

Can you support the doctor while telling him to not cut out the cancer that would otherwise kill you?

You can't. Yet you want to tell the troops:

"I support your wearing the uniform, being on call 24x7, earning a barely living wage and sacrificing your family life so that I can remain ignorant, safe and happy. Just don't do your job and protect my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If we appease the terrorists, they'll just leave us alone"

Go ahead and ignore that terrorists, and certain governments who support them, have declared war on the U.S. Keep dreaming that you're safe in your surburban home or college dorm room. Keep thinking that we shouldn't do anything that makes the French, Russians or Palistanians not like us.

Koreans are getting their heads lopped off because you are an American and a little destruction made the Spanish pull out of Iraq. Our citizens are being abducted and murdered simply for being Americans.

Your shopping mall could be the next target for attack, simply because you are an American. Yet you want to bring the troops home and allow the terrorists to rebuild their training bases and regroup so they can more easily bring their declared war to your hometown... all because you support those troops, but not the war.

I pray that those terrorists don't attack your shopping mall and kill you simply because you are an American so that you will be able to retain your right to free speech.

Now where are those pics of LL's boobies?

Liberal_idiots · Post by **Liberal_idiots** » 28 Jun 2004 04:05

I'm so happy you can't vote.

Moore is nothing more than another famous liberal using his celebrity for his own benefit. You watch his movie and blindly believe everything you see. Fucking MTV generation idiots.

You claim to be non-conformists, but you buy into the liberal story like a little schoolgirl. Does anyone disagree that Sadaam was a prick and needed to be out of power?

Do we get any of Iraq's oil? Will we?

Nuzman · Post by **Nuzman** » 28 Jun 2004 04:10

PART OF THE BOARDS FORMERLY KNOWN AS TJNR

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