Virginity

exelis · Post by **exelis** » 30 Aug 2006 21:24

Another post made me think of this, but I didn't want to threadjack, so I thought I would rant here...

The way I see it, virginity as an idea is a very outdated concept. Now, if someone really *wants* to save themself for their one "true love", that's their own choice, but I'm not sure that many people would at all if it wasn't passed off as a moral decision. The whole concept of monogamy and virginity were developed by the rulers of religious institutions for the simple reason of stemming the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. In this day and age 25 cents worth of latex does a better job than teaching abstinence and hoping that people can control their perfectly natural urges. It also does a better job letting people have fun.

Mating is a biological imperative. It is built into our DNA that we should start getting it on as soon as we're physiologically adults. I wouldn't say that pubescent 10 year olds should start having sex, obviously, as society does play a role. However, I don't think it's right to teach children that sex in general is wrong and you should save yourself for one person only. If anything, teaching abstinence has helped to spread VD and create more unwanted babies, because it's an ideal that we're destined to fail at following.

In the end, I have to say that I'm more than just a little bitter that I wasted a whole shitload of opportunities earlier in life that would have been educational at the very least, and most likely pleasurable in most cases, because I was following a moral code that I didn't figure out was bullshit until I was older and it was largely too late.

Your thoughts?

Post by **smash** » 30 Aug 2006 22:34

exelis wrote:Another post made me think of this, but I didn't want to threadjack, so I thought I would rant here...

In the end, I have to say that I'm more than just a little bitter that I wasted a whole shitload of opportunities earlier in life that would have been educational at the very least, and most likely pleasurable in most cases, because I was following a moral code that I didn't figure out was bullshit until I was older and it was largely too late.

Your thoughts?

I agree completely. Although, I don't know that I would call it a moral code. I had always wanted to be more sexually active in my teen/early 20s than I was, but I didn't hold back out of 'morality'. If anything I held back out of that "catholic guilt" / fear that they trick the masses into believing. "What if I get a girl pregnant?" "What if I get caught having sex?" "What if I get an STD?" Those are all concerns, but the church environment breeds paranoia on a whole new level.

You've hit the nail on the head about 'experience' tho. Who really wants someone who's a virgin to sleep with? And I do wish I had more experience than I do so I'd feel a lot more confident (and probably better) in bed.

exelis · Post by **exelis** » 30 Aug 2006 22:49

You can follow a moral code out of honor, guilt, or fear... Those that create moral code usually don't care. I see where the confusion is, though. Like you, I didn't always follow the morals because I was trying to be moral, either.

Post by **AngelBaby** » 30 Aug 2006 23:01

This wouldn't be a direct result of my Adriana Lima thread in Babes would it?

Here's my take on the fascination with female virgins (because we all know you boys can't ever admit to such a shameful condition past the age of 18 or so...heh). For some guys, I imagine it's the exciting prospect of exploring new territory, or showing/teaching a girl things she's only read about or seen in movies. For some other more insecure guys, it could be hoping that their own lack of experience/skill will go unnoticed by a sexually naive partner. And for other even more insecure guys, it's being unable to deal with the fact that a girl might have actually had a sexual past of her own.

Or maybe it's just because virgins are tighter?

exelis · Post by **exelis** » 30 Aug 2006 23:06

Indeed it was a direct result of your post. I was going to say something there, but I didn't want to detract from what you were trying to do in the original post.

You may be right on all of your points, to a degree. However, I think that all of those conditions would be lessened by removing the cultural stigma on virginity. If it wasn't a good or bad thing, people would care alot less.

turtle · Post by **turtle** » 30 Aug 2006 23:48

AngelBaby wrote:This wouldn't be a direct result of my Adriana Lima thread in Babes would it?

Here's my take on the fascination with female virgins (because we all know you boys can't ever admit to such a shameful condition past the age of 18 or so...heh). For some guys, I imagine it's the exciting prospect of exploring new territory, or showing/teaching a girl things she's only read about or seen in movies. For some other more insecure guys, it could be hoping that their own lack of experience/skill will go unnoticed by a sexually naive partner. And for other even more insecure guys, it's being unable to deal with the fact that a girl might have actually had a sexual past of her own.

Or maybe it's just because virgins are tighter?

Although I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to sleep with a virgin, I and in my opinion, most men in general who have gotten over the societal stigma of being with an experienced woman, would rather be with a person who has some kind of clue as to what they prefer in bed. The prospect of showing/teaching someone something they've never experienced, although exciting, can be rather dull and lackluster. A partner with experience will probably be less concerned about all the peripherals that go along with sex and more concentrated on the pleasurability of the encounter.

I agree that most guys who prefer a partner without experience are probaby trying to disguise their own lack of adeptness, while also getting a little boost to their ego as well.

As far as virgins being tighter the reason...that's a whole new subject.

eamon angelface · Post by **eamon angelface** » 31 Aug 2006 00:01

Yay for font colours!

I always thought the whole virgin thing was a way of not being forgotten after and doing something no other guy has been able to do. Like breaking in a wild stallion nailing a hot virgin requires a lot of persitence and patience and soft sweet whispers in her ear.

Think about it; you bang Adriana Lima and suddenly you're the guy who brought down the beast that even Lenny Kravitz couldn't. Her gina is like a dragon and I'm saint George and my penis is my sword. If I slay her virginity the town will call me a hero and I'll be remembered forever.

Sure an experienced girl will be more open to different things and know what she wants and that's fine too. She'll also know what she doesn't want though and sometimes those are the most fun.

Now first lesbian experience. That's just awesome. There should be a word for that, some way to make it seem like a regular right of passage for every attractive girl. Followed by first threeway (note: threeways include 2 females and one male. Whenever 2 males are involved it's just gay).

PS: I don't know what moral means.

exelis · Post by **exelis** » 31 Aug 2006 00:11

eamon angelface wrote:Her gina is like a dragon and I'm saint George and my penis is my sword. If I slay her virginity the town will call me a hero and I'll be remembered forever.

I just almost spit my drink out all over my PC this made me laugh so hard.

I'm not sure that's a good thing, though, Eamon... Don't ever try to seduce a girl with your poetry, OK?

Post by **Seriously** » 31 Aug 2006 00:14

HA HA A JOKE ABOUT POETRY

Got that out of the way, carry on.

exelis · Post by **exelis** » 31 Aug 2006 00:16

Seriously wrote:HA HA A JOKE ABOUT POETRY

Got that out of the way, carry on.

If I didn't shave my head I'd be asking for a comb, because that just went over my head.

Post by **Seriously** » 31 Aug 2006 00:30

It was a preemptive strike, those are sometimes hard to understand.

eamon angelface · Post by **eamon angelface** » 31 Aug 2006 01:14

A preemptive strike against sanity?

JustSumDude · Post by **JustSumDude** » 31 Aug 2006 03:33

I have had the vaginal vagina sex with a vagina... vaginally.

Post by **smash** » 31 Aug 2006 03:48

JustSumDude wrote:I have had the vaginal vagina sex with a vagina... vaginally.

Now all I can imagine is that you have a vagina and you had vagina on vagina sex.

And I'm strangley turned on...

thefelinepunk · Post by **thefelinepunk** » 31 Aug 2006 04:13

I don't see what the big deal is.

In my experience, the thing usually is that people either really want to stay a virgin (and from my experience that hardly ever lasts very long), or people are deeply ashamed that they're still virgins. I've got no beef with someone's personal decision to stay a virgin if they want, but I don't know if I could really see myself being patient enough to spend any real quality time with someone that wasn't interested in any kind of deeply intimate activity. It does bother me, however, that there are people out there that really are upset with themselves because they're a certain age and haven't had sex yet, and I just don't approve of someone being ashamed of themselves for something that, in the end, just isn't a big fucking deal at all.

I think it's a curse that there's even a word for it. It's a horrible condition when people are all tied up in knots over whether or not they can or want to have sex. Sex is a natural thing that people get into in their own due time, and I believe there's just too much societal pressure over whether we can or will do it.

Just to throw a little bit of useless knowledge out there that nobody's gonna care about, the ancient Celts (before Christianity hit) did not prize virginity at all. In fact, they didn't talk about it, they didn't even care. It was a complete non-issue.

For the most part though, I agree with exelis' first post, and I pretty much agree with AngelBaby's first post too.

I really don't know if there's any truth to virgins being tighter though. Think that's just a rumor.

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