That last speaker’s comment about Moore being a left wing promotor was so out of line that I’d actually would like to kick his ass my self.
You can just never trust CNN. Naturally they can’t run with any stories since they in the end are paid by companies who probably would not accept “left wing promotion”, which being pro free health care that works seems to be.
Actually you should probably never trust anyone, not even Moore, even if he’s been quite accurate so far.
I love the Limbaugh-tards who criticize the messenger and pretend they didn’t hear the message. Sheep like that are what keeps 85% of the world’s wealth in the hands of 10% of the population.
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by Bill Clay — July 11, 2007 @
12:54 am
I love Michael Moore because he get’s the real facts because we all know CNN and FOX news is just republican Propaganda. Oh yeah and that left wing comment made me want to kick him in the face too!
There is nothing wrong with Health care in this country…
You should believe everything you here on CNN…
These aren’t the droids you’re looking for…
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by Obi-Wan Kenobi — July 11, 2007 @
1:07 am
I love how he doesn’t like to get taped so he doesn’t get taken out of context just like he does with his “documentaries”. If he cared so much about these issues he should let people see his movies for free because we all know he is one rich mofo.
what is dumb is that CNN.com actually ran a front page story last month which said most medical professionals reluctantly agreed that Moore got the facts right.
But CNN bending the news to fit their story is about as shocking as Paris Hilton being photographed.
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by DisconcertedGeorge — July 11, 2007 @
1:15 am
#9 you already can. Go and download it, Moore already said he doesn’t care. And it was already mentioned on DLT.
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by DisconcertedGeorge — July 11, 2007 @
1:18 am
“Anyone here think that both sides are idiots and you’re tired of hearing any of it?”
I’m left-wing, a Michael Moore fan but I have to say he comes of like an asshole in this interview. He came across like a left leaning Bill O’reilly. Yelling and bringing up unrelated issues like the war in Iraq and President Bush made it seem like he was trying to hide something.
His reaction to Wolf Blitzer was really similar to the reaction Dick Cheney had when h was interviewed earlierthis year by CNN. For someone who is a provocateur, Moore sure showed he has no problems asking tough questions but doesnt like to have his facts questioned in return.
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by kreskin — July 11, 2007 @
1:54 am
#18. you have to treat CNN like that.
michael moore lies!?…come on AB…you’re smarter than this, aren’t you??
how does he lie? and even if her does lie….lets just say he claims the sky is purple. thats nothing compared the the american goverment,CNN and FOX news. come on…wtf!? AB…..wtf…
I agree with Kreskin. He has a valid point to make, but often ruins it by being a blowhard (ie, the oscars). I mean if he was calm and just addressed the questions rather than spending 5 mins of the interview saying why it was wrong to question him and going after CNN and the war, he may have been more convincing. I recommend people check out the second part of the interview (he has link on his site or youtube). He seems to have calmed down by that point and does a lot better job getting his point across.
Oh, and to anyone more bothered by the fact that he is fat and ugly than interested in hearing the valid points he brings up, maybe just close your eyes next time he is on TV and think about Jessica Biel or Megan Fox or someone. Mmmmm…. Megan Fox
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by The Truth — July 11, 2007 @
2:15 am
Hey the lies of Fox News and CNN vs. Moore’s lies (which I would argue are less frequent) would give you that “Fair and Balanced” their always looking for.
In fact, assume both sides are full of shit and you’ll probably find the truth somewhere in between.
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by The Truth — July 11, 2007 @
2:18 am
I think this movie is selfish. He probably only made it so that he can save himself some money in the future.
After all he is about one burger away from a heart attack.
Oooh, Snap!
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by DisconcertedGeorge — July 11, 2007 @
2:27 am
Way to go Angel Baby laying down the smack!
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by vaultcomplex — July 11, 2007 @
2:42 am
Fact: CNN retracted their story.
CNN is Republican propaganda: see Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, Bill Bennett…
Eh… I come here for some boobage. CNN’s ticker covers Michael Moore’s.
^^^
sorry, but true ignorance is making arguments like…
“lesser of two evils”
“ends justify the means”
etc. etc.
bullshit is bullshit, and i would think most people of reasonable intelligence wouldn’t like having theirs insulted by ham-fisted attempts at “documentary” filmmaking that rely on misdirection and outright invention to drive home a slanted point of view.
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by vaultcomplex — July 11, 2007 @
3:19 am
AngelBaby speaks the truth.
Lesser of 2 evils is bullshit. we should have all the choices in the world for president and for health care.
Why not have a healthcare credit/voucher (Like they have for your choice of public or private schools). one you can use for a years worth of Universal health care or a years worth of HMO’s. I bet the HMO’s will bleed your account and make you dig out of the pocket by Midyear.
I bet if you get really sick you’ll jump ship on the HMO’s and run to universal Health care.
Oh come on AngelBaby – How far do you have to be wedged up the arse of the right wing propaganda machine to dislike someone who argued first to keep us out of a pointless, destructive war that has pushed the entire world closer to its end, and who is now arguing that people should have cheaper, better access to health care?
You may not like the man but arguing against a war that has sinced been categorically proven to be a terrible mistake, and trhen arguing for better health care should get you more respect.
What else should he do – post dribble about celebrities on the web?
#33 – great Odin’s beard…some of you people are dense with a capital D.
it’s not the argument he’s making i have a problem with, it’s how he goes about making it. it only serves to make your argument look weak if you can’t defend it using nothing but raw, unbiased facts. moore has consistently proved that he can’t do this, he can’t avoid letting his massive ego get in the way, and can’t resist tweaking the truth to hammer his agenda home. that might get your respect, but it sure as hell isn’t earning mine.
and i suppose you’re planning to vote for Obama in 2008? seeing how he’s the only candidate that wasn’t in favor of this war that you believe is going to bring about Armageddon in the near future. you definitely can’t be a Hillary supporter, right?
what else should Moore do? how about scheduling a visit to Jenny Craig sometime?
Actually, in most states in the USA, the voucher system for public/private education has been regularly shot down through pressure by the overpowered teachers’ unions. But that is another story (debate) entirely.
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by Confuzzled — July 11, 2007 @
3:48 am
#33– Well the war isn’t entirely pointless, it probably pushed forward our weapons technology 10-15 years, so we can destroy the Mongol Horde with much better efficiency! But on a more serious note– honestly, if you have not been over there, you really have no idea what it’s like, only what you see through a “filter.”
I wish I had some witty comment to supplement AB’s retorts. I simply am just not witty enough, however, so all I can say is that she’s kicking everyone’s ass.
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by vaultcomplex — July 11, 2007 @
4:14 am
She hasn’t kicked my ass yet.
I live in the wonderful magical land of Australia. I live in a small sleepy coastal town whose main industries are tourism and retirees. I have been to the doctors five times this year. I have gotten in on the day I wanted every time, and only one visit cost me anything, and that was around 50 dollars, of which I got 30 or so back. Also, Australian money is worth like 75% so yeah, its not too bad here.
Also, Australian medical research is some of the best in the world, with leading researchers in many areas of medical science. Maybe I misunderstood, but it sounded like Rudy was saying the socialized medicine leads to crappy medicine. The biggest crisis in Australian medicine is political, with poor working conditions and pay for medical professionals.
and our governments wants to make our health care system more like the US? WTF is that about?
#39 – “and our governments wants to make our health care system more like the US? WTF is that about?”
Probably because the world reaps the benefits of the US’s free market and R&D that are impossible in practically every other country in the world.
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by vaultcomplex — July 11, 2007 @
4:28 am
Last! 😀
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by wootman — July 11, 2007 @
4:43 am
You can’t call “Last” if you’re not really last.
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by vaultcomplex — July 11, 2007 @
4:48 am
AngelBaby, you don’t seem to understand the concept that documentaries are inherently biased.
“it only serves to make your argument look weak if you can’t defend it using nothing but raw, unbiased facts. moore has consistently proved that he can’t do this, he can’t avoid letting his massive ego get in the way, and can’t resist tweaking the truth to hammer his agenda home.”
If you’re so keen about facts, please provide one example in which Moore has distorted his facts?
“what else should Moore do? how about scheduling a visit to Jenny Craig sometime?”
Awesome. You have yet to actually provide any information to backup YOUR argument that HE is a crock of crap, and then you continue like every other kneejerk right winger to make an ad hominem attack about his weight. HI FIVE SISTER! WOO!
How about getting your own facts before jumping on the ‘Shit on Moore’ bandwagon.
#40 Uh… yeah, ok. So you are saying that it is the very commercialisation of the american medical system that makes breakthrough’s possible? Thats naive, indoctrinated crap. The US gets good researchers because it buys them sure, and yes they do good research, but then the company they work for blackmails the world for the fruits of that research. I can’t imagine Pasteur extorting the secrets of vaccination or the team at oxford selling penicillin only to the highest bidders, keeping the production runs small to keep the prices up.
“R&D that are impossible in practically every other country in the world.”
Like stem cell research and cloning… oh wait, nope, can’t do that in the U.S.
Call me socialist, but health care should be if not free then at least cheap and available on credit.
#43 – for crying out loud, have any of you people with your lips firmly attached to Michael Moore’s giant, pasty ass actually bothered to do even one iota of research into just how full of shit this gasbag is?
it’s not as though it’s difficult to find proof of the man’s lies. you say you want just one example? i think you might find one or two in one of these sites…
but i’m sure you’ll just claim that all of that is “right-wing propaganda,” which is as laughable as the people who claim CNN is run by the republicans and their evil corporate masters. wake up and wise up.
ill agree that this arguement will never be settled. even if it was settled on here. it wont mean anything int e real world. aruging over the net is a notch lower than arguing over the phone. i feel that democrats are teh common sense and republicans are hats wrong with america and the world.
but dont get me wrong, im not blind. i know democrats arent smart either or they would have figured something out already. so, whatever.
45. “as laughable as the people who claim CNN is run by the republicans and their evil corporate masters.”
Yeah. they have their hands full running FoxNews! 😉
AngelBaby, the important question (to me at least) isn’t how you feel about Tubby McGee up there, its what you think about American Health Care. So… where do you stand?
^^^
i think it’s a crying shame that the country with the best doctors, best medical technology, and best pharma r&d finds itself in the position it is in with regard to healthcare. i don’t think it’s as bad as some would have us believe, but it could certainly be better.
however, i put primary blame on the insurance industry and rise in malpractice litigation for the downward spiral. we need our government to step in and put the reins on these factors, but the system is so screwed up right now, i don’t have much faith that’s happening anytime soon. 🙁
Moore’s a repugnant attention gigolo, but what he said about CNN and other news organizations is true. They are bought and paid for and run commercials disguised as news, they didn’t do their jobs and that’s one of the reasons we’re in the mess in Iraq.
Moore is a fat fucking retard and a whiney bitch. He cares about no one and nothing but the money going in his pocket. If he cares so much, he would use ALL of his net profit from this movie to get the 9/11 workers REAL healthcare.
First, why do rich people from around the world come to the USA for healthcare?
Second, if you think the gov would do a good job running your healthcare, go to the DMV or wait for that social security check that you’ll get when you retire…..I think you know that won’t be happening.
Third, WHEN Fatass needs a quadruple heart by-pass I’m sure he’ll go to cuba and not the USA to get that done. Personally, I hope he does go to cuba as we would not have further propaganda from Mr Fat Fat Fatty.
Peace out
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by TheMan — July 11, 2007 @
11:13 am
Michael Moore is a tubby fucktarded nigger. He’s a lying dickfaced asswipe who’s whole goal is to get publicity, not make things better. MM proves this everytime his fat fucking bitch ass gets in front of a camera. Fuck MM, his whore mother, and his cockless father.
Limbaugh is fat and a liar. I guess that invalidates everything he says. O’riely makes gobs of money and pimps his books on the air while arguing supposedly for the common man. Guess that invalidates everything he says.
85% of all Americans have some type of health insurance. This allows us to go to the doctors we choose to go to without having to deal with the dregs of society that flood the free clinics. FUCK the other 15%. They don’t have insurance because they don’t want to get jobs. They want everything handed to them. The fucking welfare-minded people in this country are ruining it for those of us who support ourselves. With my job, I had to seek out an insurance carrier and pay for medical and dental coverage out of my own pocket… because that’s what you do. If you need insurance, you get it so you can go to a doctor without having to sit next to Shanaqua, Consuelo, or Cleetus in the waiting room. (note the black, hispanic, and white trash names. I’m an equal opportunity hater) This fucking medical thing… it’s the first step to communism. First it’s health care… then it’s housing… THEN WE STAND IN LINE TO GET A FUCKING LOAF OF BREAD!!! Fuck the other 15%… let ’em get a job or fucking rot.
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by StrongBad — July 11, 2007 @
2:35 pm
MORE BOOBIES.
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by El Payo — July 11, 2007 @
3:02 pm
It also doesn’t help that the government has, in the past few years, made it legal for prescription drug companies to advertise on TV. It used to be that they were only allowed to make their presence known to doctors, who could then recommend certain drugs to their patients. Makes sense right? Well now there’s all this push to “ask your doctor” with these advertisements which cost billions, which in turn drives up the cost of these drugs. The government needs to put back in place the law that they can’t advertise on TV. It’s not helping anyone except ad companies who are raking it in!
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by vaultcomplex — July 11, 2007 @
3:19 pm
Wow….
How did MM being fat and/or ugly have anything at all to do with him being right or wrong?
Such comments just proves your lack of intelligence.
And if you want to come off as the intelligent one and trash MM you need to do more then just post some links. Sure, thousands and thousands of people want to trash MM but if you make a quick search you’ll find that just as many celebrate his work.
Stay with that nudie pics instead, it’s what you do best….
#55: I’m a leftist and agree. If you can’t afford it, you don’t get it. It’s a fact of life. If you get sick you can go to one of the “free” clinics. Don’t like it? Get off your ass and get a better job.
Universal health care is a joke. And fuck Hillary Clinton up her lilly white ass.
Bravo 55- agree 100%. We are not socialists, we are not communists, we’re a free market society (see CAPITALISM) where you have to WORK to make your own success/welfare. I don’t even pity those who beg for hand outs from the government to do everything for them. I realize some folks end up between a rock and a hard place, but if they give up, they can get out, move to some place where there’s no incentive to work hard.
i never said his obesity had anything to do with him being wrong…reading is fundamental, dumbass.
and fanboys/girls who celebrate an idiot like Moore do not magically have equal weight to people who are critical of his “work” and use facts to back up what they say, i don’t care how many sites the kiss-asses run worshiping their corpulent god.
For all you right-wing, neocon freaks: I know everything Michael Moore says in his movies is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. How do I know, you ask? Because Michael has the sweetest pillow talk in the world! A man that gives ass-lovin that good just can’t be bad! If I died after a bout of hot, sweaty man-sex with MM, I wouldn’t care about the afterlife, cuz I’d already have been to heaven!
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by Daniel J — July 11, 2007 @
9:53 pm
Alright, too all the fucking idiots here that don’t see the fucking truth about Michael Moore, WTF is wrong with you? HE GIVES THE TRUTH FOR GOD’S SAKES!!! No biased bullshit that CNN advertises, GO SEE THIS MOVIE if you must, but Moore is not a fucking dumbass like our lame-ass president — Bush. YOU’RE ALL HATERS.
What’s really sad is that most of you have probably never had to go to the doctor for anything serious. I have gone for 4 days of “monitoring” and a broken finger. the bill was more than many people make in a year. Profit definitely rules. I make a decent living and have good insurance, but even I have to question why I paid 10K a day for something that should have cost a few thousand at most.. I live in a major metro area – so access to healthcare is easy( 4 hospitals within 20 miles). The system is broken no matter what you believe. Even if you CAN afford to pay you should really ask “why you have to pay so much?”
The US has many ailments that require monthly maintenance drugs like Diabetes, alergies, and high blood pressure. God forbid you have several ailments and no insurance. At the very least, cost should be subsidized and based on ability to pay.
No insults to either side.
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by bobanderson — July 11, 2007 @
10:57 pm
AB:
Talking about morons, did I say you did? Reading IS fundamental! Seems to me you just have your thumb so far up your ass you can’t see further then your own nose.
And no, nobody’s perfect (except for me naturally) and I haven’t picked any sides here, just saying there are always two sides to the story.
Is it me, or just Wolf Blitzer act so accordingly like an Android? Is it the way of the Zionist? NOT ONCE did I seen him emotionally outraged or something… What the hell is up with this weird man?
Moore Pwn’s CNN? Are you kidding? Dr. Gupta, Wolfe, and Larry King all handed him his fat ass. He got caught and threw a fit about it. When someone gets upset it means they’ve lost.
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by Bligityblah — July 12, 2007 @
4:12 pm
I guess it’s settled. Angel Baby agrees with the fat pasty ass Moore.
Read #48.. putting the blame on insurance companies. Tisk! Tisk! That’s what Moore did, which is why the insurance companies have tried to block this movie.
If people are willing to pay, how can we complain? The only way to change the current system is for people to rise up and stand up to these companies, which was Moore’s intention anyway.
I’m pro-business. Let insurance companies charge up the ass! If Americans are willing to pay.. let them. If insurance companies can’t make a profit, then what is the incentive for them to provide this service to consumers?
I may be biased because I work for Blue Cross and am a staunch Republican, but to me, Moore is just wasting his time. The American Dream is money and I’m out to get mine!
Nice to see some proper debate on TV for once,
rather than the FOX news style shout-over-the-guest technique.
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by cobalt — July 13, 2007 @
12:12 pm
I don’t see why CNN owe him an apoligy, Moore is an idiot, if he likes socialism so much then why doesn’t he just move to cuba or North Korea so he can live equally like everyone else in those country, in poverty and starving to dead without healthcare.
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by Licking — July 15, 2007 @
7:50 am
hahaha
I can wager that all of these “different” people posting in here with back-asswards conservative views are all the same pathetic religious zealot acting like some moral majority.
Bunch of wankers.
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by Anonymous — July 16, 2007 @
6:59 am
#28 i see. so why doesnt the “gov’nt” just give us, The People, the facts?
because, for too long, “we” the people have been too self consumed to be bothered by what our gvmt has been doing, only recently has it become “trendy” to at least “appear” involved or concerned, but those of us who have been involved, can spot the armchair quarterbacks to lazy to find out stuff for themselves that would even listen to MM’s skewed, Bush hating propaganda and convey this as any sort of facts. He’s no differnt than Fox, CNN or any other media outlet that puts their spin on, so-called “news”.
It’s just sad to see so many fish falling for the bait. One man’s fact is another’s propaganda. Whatever happened to simple discussions?
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by Triple B — July 17, 2007 @
11:36 am
And oh yeah, with the amount of hate being spewed around about our illustrious gvt, why would so many people want to hand over yet ANOTHER project for our great leaders to exploit, screw up and abuse by having a NHCP?
You dont seem to think they are doing a great job currently, so why add more drabble to get snagged in red tape?
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by Triple B — July 17, 2007 @
11:51 am
Moore is a plain out retard and a lier. Done. ooh first.
#1 | Comment by Nick — July 11, 2007 @ 12:37 am
He is such a little bitch… why give this moron air time…. this is so stupid… CNN does not owe him anything
#2 | Comment by texas — July 11, 2007 @ 12:43 am
I watch CNN Headline News strictly for the hawt MILF-y female newscasters and then I abuse myself.
“Give us 30 minutes and we’ll give you a crusty tubesock!”
#3 | Comment by Smiley — July 11, 2007 @ 12:45 am
That last speaker’s comment about Moore being a left wing promotor was so out of line that I’d actually would like to kick his ass my self.
You can just never trust CNN. Naturally they can’t run with any stories since they in the end are paid by companies who probably would not accept “left wing promotion”, which being pro free health care that works seems to be.
Actually you should probably never trust anyone, not even Moore, even if he’s been quite accurate so far.
And yeah, FIRST!
#4 | Comment by Hesse — July 11, 2007 @ 12:54 am
I love the Limbaugh-tards who criticize the messenger and pretend they didn’t hear the message. Sheep like that are what keeps 85% of the world’s wealth in the hands of 10% of the population.
#5 | Comment by Bill Clay — July 11, 2007 @ 12:54 am
Damn! Not first!!
#6 | Comment by Hesse — July 11, 2007 @ 12:54 am
I love Michael Moore because he get’s the real facts because we all know CNN and FOX news is just republican Propaganda. Oh yeah and that left wing comment made me want to kick him in the face too!
#7 | Comment by Steve — July 11, 2007 @ 1:03 am
There is nothing wrong with Health care in this country…
You should believe everything you here on CNN…
These aren’t the droids you’re looking for…
#8 | Comment by Obi-Wan Kenobi — July 11, 2007 @ 1:07 am
I love how he doesn’t like to get taped so he doesn’t get taken out of context just like he does with his “documentaries”. If he cared so much about these issues he should let people see his movies for free because we all know he is one rich mofo.
#9 | Comment by keeman — July 11, 2007 @ 1:09 am
#7 – CNN is republican propaganda?? wow, that’s the first time i’ve heard that claim.
the bigger question is, why is this tubby fucktard continuing to take up fubar front page space? Justin just loves fatties i guess.
#10 | Comment by AngelBaby — July 11, 2007 @ 1:09 am
what is dumb is that CNN.com actually ran a front page story last month which said most medical professionals reluctantly agreed that Moore got the facts right.
But CNN bending the news to fit their story is about as shocking as Paris Hilton being photographed.
#11 | Comment by DisconcertedGeorge — July 11, 2007 @ 1:15 am
#9 you already can. Go and download it, Moore already said he doesn’t care. And it was already mentioned on DLT.
#12 | Comment by DisconcertedGeorge — July 11, 2007 @ 1:18 am
“Anyone here think that both sides are idiots and you’re tired of hearing any of it?”
#13 | Comment by Ryu — July 11, 2007 @ 1:25 am
i wonder what would happen if michael moore and rosie o’donnell had a baby. i bet its aura would kill all republicans…
#14 | Comment by Xan — July 11, 2007 @ 1:31 am
you know what AB, you’re a good poster and all, but my god…STFU! him being a “tubby fuckard” has nothing to to with anything.
#15 | Comment by Xan — July 11, 2007 @ 1:38 am
^^^
sure it does.
it has to do with him being fat and a fucking retard.
oh, and he lies.
a lot.
#16 | Comment by AngelBaby — July 11, 2007 @ 1:42 am
Hmmm, I spy with my myopic little eye a Brunei at #40…
#17 | Comment by CuriousGeorge — July 11, 2007 @ 1:44 am
I’m left-wing, a Michael Moore fan but I have to say he comes of like an asshole in this interview. He came across like a left leaning Bill O’reilly. Yelling and bringing up unrelated issues like the war in Iraq and President Bush made it seem like he was trying to hide something.
His reaction to Wolf Blitzer was really similar to the reaction Dick Cheney had when h was interviewed earlierthis year by CNN. For someone who is a provocateur, Moore sure showed he has no problems asking tough questions but doesnt like to have his facts questioned in return.
#18 | Comment by kreskin — July 11, 2007 @ 1:54 am
#18. you have to treat CNN like that.
michael moore lies!?…come on AB…you’re smarter than this, aren’t you??
how does he lie? and even if her does lie….lets just say he claims the sky is purple. thats nothing compared the the american goverment,CNN and FOX news. come on…wtf!? AB…..wtf…
#19 | Comment by Xan — July 11, 2007 @ 2:03 am
^^^
i really don’t see what pointing out Moore’s well-documented penchant for deception in favor of his cause du jour has to do with my intelligence.
and in case your parents never told you…two wrongs don’t make a right.
#20 | Comment by AngelBaby — July 11, 2007 @ 2:10 am
I agree with Kreskin. He has a valid point to make, but often ruins it by being a blowhard (ie, the oscars). I mean if he was calm and just addressed the questions rather than spending 5 mins of the interview saying why it was wrong to question him and going after CNN and the war, he may have been more convincing. I recommend people check out the second part of the interview (he has link on his site or youtube). He seems to have calmed down by that point and does a lot better job getting his point across.
Oh, and to anyone more bothered by the fact that he is fat and ugly than interested in hearing the valid points he brings up, maybe just close your eyes next time he is on TV and think about Jessica Biel or Megan Fox or someone. Mmmmm…. Megan Fox
#21 | Comment by The Truth — July 11, 2007 @ 2:15 am
Hey the lies of Fox News and CNN vs. Moore’s lies (which I would argue are less frequent) would give you that “Fair and Balanced” their always looking for.
In fact, assume both sides are full of shit and you’ll probably find the truth somewhere in between.
#22 | Comment by The Truth — July 11, 2007 @ 2:18 am
I think this movie is selfish. He probably only made it so that he can save himself some money in the future.
After all he is about one burger away from a heart attack.
Oooh, Snap!
#23 | Comment by DisconcertedGeorge — July 11, 2007 @ 2:27 am
Way to go Angel Baby laying down the smack!
#24 | Comment by vaultcomplex — July 11, 2007 @ 2:42 am
Fact: CNN retracted their story.
CNN is Republican propaganda: see Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, Bill Bennett…
Eh… I come here for some boobage. CNN’s ticker covers Michael Moore’s.
#25 | Comment by Jeff — July 11, 2007 @ 2:47 am
AB. it makes you look ignorant.
and.
the lesser of two evils…something…something…
#26 | Comment by Xan — July 11, 2007 @ 2:48 am
^^^
sorry, but true ignorance is making arguments like…
“lesser of two evils”
“ends justify the means”
etc. etc.
bullshit is bullshit, and i would think most people of reasonable intelligence wouldn’t like having theirs insulted by ham-fisted attempts at “documentary” filmmaking that rely on misdirection and outright invention to drive home a slanted point of view.
#27 | Comment by AngelBaby — July 11, 2007 @ 2:56 am
i see. so why doesnt the “gov’nt” just give us, The People, the facts?
#28 | Comment by Xan — July 11, 2007 @ 3:01 am
Apparently Justin is truly gay, how does CNN need to apologize? For not turning off his mic? They were way too accomodating to that bitch.
Hey heads up, Lou Dobbs is NOT a Republican, he’s a classic, xenophobic, anti-business, economically clueless Democrat.
#29 | Comment by Kewtr — July 11, 2007 @ 3:11 am
AngelBaby why are you talking so much shit? Are you high?
#30 | Comment by tomas — July 11, 2007 @ 3:14 am
Keep it going AB.
#31 | Comment by vaultcomplex — July 11, 2007 @ 3:19 am
AngelBaby speaks the truth.
Lesser of 2 evils is bullshit. we should have all the choices in the world for president and for health care.
Why not have a healthcare credit/voucher (Like they have for your choice of public or private schools). one you can use for a years worth of Universal health care or a years worth of HMO’s. I bet the HMO’s will bleed your account and make you dig out of the pocket by Midyear.
I bet if you get really sick you’ll jump ship on the HMO’s and run to universal Health care.
#32 | Comment by sammy — July 11, 2007 @ 3:21 am
Oh come on AngelBaby – How far do you have to be wedged up the arse of the right wing propaganda machine to dislike someone who argued first to keep us out of a pointless, destructive war that has pushed the entire world closer to its end, and who is now arguing that people should have cheaper, better access to health care?
You may not like the man but arguing against a war that has sinced been categorically proven to be a terrible mistake, and trhen arguing for better health care should get you more respect.
What else should he do – post dribble about celebrities on the web?
#33 | Comment by Alex — July 11, 2007 @ 3:34 am
Justin is your friend.
#34 | Comment by JustSumDude — July 11, 2007 @ 3:38 am
#33 – great Odin’s beard…some of you people are dense with a capital D.
it’s not the argument he’s making i have a problem with, it’s how he goes about making it. it only serves to make your argument look weak if you can’t defend it using nothing but raw, unbiased facts. moore has consistently proved that he can’t do this, he can’t avoid letting his massive ego get in the way, and can’t resist tweaking the truth to hammer his agenda home. that might get your respect, but it sure as hell isn’t earning mine.
and i suppose you’re planning to vote for Obama in 2008? seeing how he’s the only candidate that wasn’t in favor of this war that you believe is going to bring about Armageddon in the near future. you definitely can’t be a Hillary supporter, right?
what else should Moore do? how about scheduling a visit to Jenny Craig sometime?
#35 | Comment by AngelBaby — July 11, 2007 @ 3:46 am
#32 ^^
Actually, in most states in the USA, the voucher system for public/private education has been regularly shot down through pressure by the overpowered teachers’ unions. But that is another story (debate) entirely.
#36 | Comment by Confuzzled — July 11, 2007 @ 3:48 am
#33– Well the war isn’t entirely pointless, it probably pushed forward our weapons technology 10-15 years, so we can destroy the Mongol Horde with much better efficiency! But on a more serious note– honestly, if you have not been over there, you really have no idea what it’s like, only what you see through a “filter.”
btw, GO AB!
#37 | Comment by mayhem — July 11, 2007 @ 4:03 am
I wish I had some witty comment to supplement AB’s retorts. I simply am just not witty enough, however, so all I can say is that she’s kicking everyone’s ass.
#38 | Comment by vaultcomplex — July 11, 2007 @ 4:14 am
She hasn’t kicked my ass yet.
I live in the wonderful magical land of Australia. I live in a small sleepy coastal town whose main industries are tourism and retirees. I have been to the doctors five times this year. I have gotten in on the day I wanted every time, and only one visit cost me anything, and that was around 50 dollars, of which I got 30 or so back. Also, Australian money is worth like 75% so yeah, its not too bad here.
Also, Australian medical research is some of the best in the world, with leading researchers in many areas of medical science. Maybe I misunderstood, but it sounded like Rudy was saying the socialized medicine leads to crappy medicine. The biggest crisis in Australian medicine is political, with poor working conditions and pay for medical professionals.
and our governments wants to make our health care system more like the US? WTF is that about?
#39 | Comment by MIK — July 11, 2007 @ 4:25 am
#39 – “and our governments wants to make our health care system more like the US? WTF is that about?”
Probably because the world reaps the benefits of the US’s free market and R&D that are impossible in practically every other country in the world.
#40 | Comment by vaultcomplex — July 11, 2007 @ 4:28 am
Last! 😀
#41 | Comment by wootman — July 11, 2007 @ 4:43 am
You can’t call “Last” if you’re not really last.
#42 | Comment by vaultcomplex — July 11, 2007 @ 4:48 am
AngelBaby, you don’t seem to understand the concept that documentaries are inherently biased.
“it only serves to make your argument look weak if you can’t defend it using nothing but raw, unbiased facts. moore has consistently proved that he can’t do this, he can’t avoid letting his massive ego get in the way, and can’t resist tweaking the truth to hammer his agenda home.”
If you’re so keen about facts, please provide one example in which Moore has distorted his facts?
“what else should Moore do? how about scheduling a visit to Jenny Craig sometime?”
Awesome. You have yet to actually provide any information to backup YOUR argument that HE is a crock of crap, and then you continue like every other kneejerk right winger to make an ad hominem attack about his weight. HI FIVE SISTER! WOO!
How about getting your own facts before jumping on the ‘Shit on Moore’ bandwagon.
#43 | Comment by OttoD — July 11, 2007 @ 6:36 am
#40 Uh… yeah, ok. So you are saying that it is the very commercialisation of the american medical system that makes breakthrough’s possible? Thats naive, indoctrinated crap. The US gets good researchers because it buys them sure, and yes they do good research, but then the company they work for blackmails the world for the fruits of that research. I can’t imagine Pasteur extorting the secrets of vaccination or the team at oxford selling penicillin only to the highest bidders, keeping the production runs small to keep the prices up.
“R&D that are impossible in practically every other country in the world.”
Like stem cell research and cloning… oh wait, nope, can’t do that in the U.S.
Call me socialist, but health care should be if not free then at least cheap and available on credit.
#44 | Comment by MIK — July 11, 2007 @ 8:06 am
#43 – for crying out loud, have any of you people with your lips firmly attached to Michael Moore’s giant, pasty ass actually bothered to do even one iota of research into just how full of shit this gasbag is?
it’s not as though it’s difficult to find proof of the man’s lies. you say you want just one example? i think you might find one or two in one of these sites…
http://slate.com/id/2102723/
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
http://www.mooreexposed.com
http://www.moorewatch.com
http://moorelies.com
but i’m sure you’ll just claim that all of that is “right-wing propaganda,” which is as laughable as the people who claim CNN is run by the republicans and their evil corporate masters. wake up and wise up.
#45 | Comment by AngelBaby — July 11, 2007 @ 8:26 am
ill agree that this arguement will never be settled. even if it was settled on here. it wont mean anything int e real world. aruging over the net is a notch lower than arguing over the phone. i feel that democrats are teh common sense and republicans are hats wrong with america and the world.
but dont get me wrong, im not blind. i know democrats arent smart either or they would have figured something out already. so, whatever.
#46 | Comment by Xan — July 11, 2007 @ 8:36 am
45. “as laughable as the people who claim CNN is run by the republicans and their evil corporate masters.”
Yeah. they have their hands full running FoxNews! 😉
AngelBaby, the important question (to me at least) isn’t how you feel about Tubby McGee up there, its what you think about American Health Care. So… where do you stand?
#47 | Comment by MIK — July 11, 2007 @ 9:04 am
^^^
i think it’s a crying shame that the country with the best doctors, best medical technology, and best pharma r&d finds itself in the position it is in with regard to healthcare. i don’t think it’s as bad as some would have us believe, but it could certainly be better.
however, i put primary blame on the insurance industry and rise in malpractice litigation for the downward spiral. we need our government to step in and put the reins on these factors, but the system is so screwed up right now, i don’t have much faith that’s happening anytime soon. 🙁
#48 | Comment by AngelBaby — July 11, 2007 @ 9:47 am
Moore’s a repugnant attention gigolo, but what he said about CNN and other news organizations is true. They are bought and paid for and run commercials disguised as news, they didn’t do their jobs and that’s one of the reasons we’re in the mess in Iraq.
#49 | Comment by d00d — July 11, 2007 @ 9:56 am
Moore is a fat fucking retard and a whiney bitch. He cares about no one and nothing but the money going in his pocket. If he cares so much, he would use ALL of his net profit from this movie to get the 9/11 workers REAL healthcare.
First, why do rich people from around the world come to the USA for healthcare?
Second, if you think the gov would do a good job running your healthcare, go to the DMV or wait for that social security check that you’ll get when you retire…..I think you know that won’t be happening.
Third, WHEN Fatass needs a quadruple heart by-pass I’m sure he’ll go to cuba and not the USA to get that done. Personally, I hope he does go to cuba as we would not have further propaganda from Mr Fat Fat Fatty.
Peace out
#50 | Comment by TheMan — July 11, 2007 @ 11:13 am
^^^
looks like he got raped by a fat guy too..hmm
#51 | Comment by Xan — July 11, 2007 @ 11:29 am
Michael Moore is a tubby fucktarded nigger. He’s a lying dickfaced asswipe who’s whole goal is to get publicity, not make things better. MM proves this everytime his fat fucking bitch ass gets in front of a camera. Fuck MM, his whore mother, and his cockless father.
#52 | Comment by Rubert Murdoch — July 11, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
Limbaugh is fat and a liar. I guess that invalidates everything he says. O’riely makes gobs of money and pimps his books on the air while arguing supposedly for the common man. Guess that invalidates everything he says.
#53 | Comment by d00d — July 11, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
So why is CNN’s presentation of the ‘other side of the story’ bad when trying to find a balance?
#54 | Comment by Crabby — July 11, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
85% of all Americans have some type of health insurance. This allows us to go to the doctors we choose to go to without having to deal with the dregs of society that flood the free clinics. FUCK the other 15%. They don’t have insurance because they don’t want to get jobs. They want everything handed to them. The fucking welfare-minded people in this country are ruining it for those of us who support ourselves. With my job, I had to seek out an insurance carrier and pay for medical and dental coverage out of my own pocket… because that’s what you do. If you need insurance, you get it so you can go to a doctor without having to sit next to Shanaqua, Consuelo, or Cleetus in the waiting room. (note the black, hispanic, and white trash names. I’m an equal opportunity hater) This fucking medical thing… it’s the first step to communism. First it’s health care… then it’s housing… THEN WE STAND IN LINE TO GET A FUCKING LOAF OF BREAD!!! Fuck the other 15%… let ’em get a job or fucking rot.
#55 | Comment by StrongBad — July 11, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
MORE BOOBIES.
#56 | Comment by El Payo — July 11, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
It also doesn’t help that the government has, in the past few years, made it legal for prescription drug companies to advertise on TV. It used to be that they were only allowed to make their presence known to doctors, who could then recommend certain drugs to their patients. Makes sense right? Well now there’s all this push to “ask your doctor” with these advertisements which cost billions, which in turn drives up the cost of these drugs. The government needs to put back in place the law that they can’t advertise on TV. It’s not helping anyone except ad companies who are raking it in!
#57 | Comment by vaultcomplex — July 11, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
Wow….
How did MM being fat and/or ugly have anything at all to do with him being right or wrong?
Such comments just proves your lack of intelligence.
And if you want to come off as the intelligent one and trash MM you need to do more then just post some links. Sure, thousands and thousands of people want to trash MM but if you make a quick search you’ll find that just as many celebrate his work.
Stay with that nudie pics instead, it’s what you do best….
#58 | Comment by Hesse — July 11, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
#55: I’m a leftist and agree. If you can’t afford it, you don’t get it. It’s a fact of life. If you get sick you can go to one of the “free” clinics. Don’t like it? Get off your ass and get a better job.
Universal health care is a joke. And fuck Hillary Clinton up her lilly white ass.
/John Edwards too
#59 | Comment by d00d — July 11, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
I think Justin should hand over this site to AB. She’s smarter and actually posts underage cleavage.
#60 | Comment by Kito — July 11, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
Bravo 55- agree 100%. We are not socialists, we are not communists, we’re a free market society (see CAPITALISM) where you have to WORK to make your own success/welfare. I don’t even pity those who beg for hand outs from the government to do everything for them. I realize some folks end up between a rock and a hard place, but if they give up, they can get out, move to some place where there’s no incentive to work hard.
#61 | Comment by mayhem — July 11, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
#58 = another moron who doesn’t get it.
i never said his obesity had anything to do with him being wrong…reading is fundamental, dumbass.
and fanboys/girls who celebrate an idiot like Moore do not magically have equal weight to people who are critical of his “work” and use facts to back up what they say, i don’t care how many sites the kiss-asses run worshiping their corpulent god.
#62 | Comment by AngelBaby — July 11, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
^^^
hehehe
Corpulent god
hehehehehehe
#63 | Comment by MIK — July 11, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Yeah, what AB said. Also im the same guy who was 1st, so im going to say it again. FIRST!!!
#64 | Comment by Nick — July 11, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
micheal moore wouldn’t know a fact if it smacked him in the face.
hope you enjoy destroying the country by supporting neo-Marxism, justin
#65 | Comment by Taco — July 11, 2007 @ 8:13 pm
For all you right-wing, neocon freaks: I know everything Michael Moore says in his movies is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. How do I know, you ask? Because Michael has the sweetest pillow talk in the world! A man that gives ass-lovin that good just can’t be bad! If I died after a bout of hot, sweaty man-sex with MM, I wouldn’t care about the afterlife, cuz I’d already have been to heaven!
#66 | Comment by Daniel J — July 11, 2007 @ 9:53 pm
Alright, too all the fucking idiots here that don’t see the fucking truth about Michael Moore, WTF is wrong with you? HE GIVES THE TRUTH FOR GOD’S SAKES!!! No biased bullshit that CNN advertises, GO SEE THIS MOVIE if you must, but Moore is not a fucking dumbass like our lame-ass president — Bush. YOU’RE ALL HATERS.
#67 | Comment by Kaka — July 11, 2007 @ 10:49 pm
What’s really sad is that most of you have probably never had to go to the doctor for anything serious. I have gone for 4 days of “monitoring” and a broken finger. the bill was more than many people make in a year. Profit definitely rules. I make a decent living and have good insurance, but even I have to question why I paid 10K a day for something that should have cost a few thousand at most.. I live in a major metro area – so access to healthcare is easy( 4 hospitals within 20 miles). The system is broken no matter what you believe. Even if you CAN afford to pay you should really ask “why you have to pay so much?”
The US has many ailments that require monthly maintenance drugs like Diabetes, alergies, and high blood pressure. God forbid you have several ailments and no insurance. At the very least, cost should be subsidized and based on ability to pay.
No insults to either side.
#68 | Comment by bobanderson — July 11, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
AB:
Talking about morons, did I say you did? Reading IS fundamental! Seems to me you just have your thumb so far up your ass you can’t see further then your own nose.
And no, nobody’s perfect (except for me naturally) and I haven’t picked any sides here, just saying there are always two sides to the story.
#69 | Comment by Hesse — July 12, 2007 @ 1:26 am
Is it me, or just Wolf Blitzer act so accordingly like an Android? Is it the way of the Zionist? NOT ONCE did I seen him emotionally outraged or something… What the hell is up with this weird man?
#70 | Comment by Kaka — July 12, 2007 @ 2:09 am
Wolf Blitzer dreams of electric sheep…
#71 | Comment by mayhem — July 12, 2007 @ 3:43 am
^^^
nice PKD reference thar.
^_^
#72 | Comment by AngelBaby — July 12, 2007 @ 7:55 am
I like boobies, and MM!
#73 | Comment by bobo — July 12, 2007 @ 11:56 am
Moore Pwn’s CNN? Are you kidding? Dr. Gupta, Wolfe, and Larry King all handed him his fat ass. He got caught and threw a fit about it. When someone gets upset it means they’ve lost.
#74 | Comment by Bligityblah — July 12, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
lol I couldn’t resist
#75 | Comment by mayhem — July 12, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
I guess it’s settled. Angel Baby agrees with the fat pasty ass Moore.
Read #48.. putting the blame on insurance companies. Tisk! Tisk! That’s what Moore did, which is why the insurance companies have tried to block this movie.
If people are willing to pay, how can we complain? The only way to change the current system is for people to rise up and stand up to these companies, which was Moore’s intention anyway.
I’m pro-business. Let insurance companies charge up the ass! If Americans are willing to pay.. let them. If insurance companies can’t make a profit, then what is the incentive for them to provide this service to consumers?
I may be biased because I work for Blue Cross and am a staunch Republican, but to me, Moore is just wasting his time. The American Dream is money and I’m out to get mine!
#76 | Comment by Jeff — July 13, 2007 @ 3:24 am
Nice to see some proper debate on TV for once,
rather than the FOX news style shout-over-the-guest technique.
#77 | Comment by cobalt — July 13, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
I don’t see why CNN owe him an apoligy, Moore is an idiot, if he likes socialism so much then why doesn’t he just move to cuba or North Korea so he can live equally like everyone else in those country, in poverty and starving to dead without healthcare.
#78 | Comment by Licking — July 15, 2007 @ 7:50 am
hahaha
I can wager that all of these “different” people posting in here with back-asswards conservative views are all the same pathetic religious zealot acting like some moral majority.
Bunch of wankers.
#79 | Comment by Anonymous — July 16, 2007 @ 6:59 am
I concur with #34.
#80 | Comment by JustSumDude — July 17, 2007 @ 5:00 am
#28 i see. so why doesnt the “gov’nt” just give us, The People, the facts?
because, for too long, “we” the people have been too self consumed to be bothered by what our gvmt has been doing, only recently has it become “trendy” to at least “appear” involved or concerned, but those of us who have been involved, can spot the armchair quarterbacks to lazy to find out stuff for themselves that would even listen to MM’s skewed, Bush hating propaganda and convey this as any sort of facts. He’s no differnt than Fox, CNN or any other media outlet that puts their spin on, so-called “news”.
It’s just sad to see so many fish falling for the bait. One man’s fact is another’s propaganda. Whatever happened to simple discussions?
#81 | Comment by Triple B — July 17, 2007 @ 11:36 am
And oh yeah, with the amount of hate being spewed around about our illustrious gvt, why would so many people want to hand over yet ANOTHER project for our great leaders to exploit, screw up and abuse by having a NHCP?
You dont seem to think they are doing a great job currently, so why add more drabble to get snagged in red tape?
#82 | Comment by Triple B — July 17, 2007 @ 11:51 am