it’s worth the hype, unless you have never read any of the Bible. If you never read the Bible, then why would you go see a movie about the Bible. Go see 50 first dates or something fun.
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5. vhw (02:42:07) :
juston, we know you’re in mid terms or something like that, but seriously… you call this a post? =(
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6. vhw (02:42:22) :
meant justin, sorry =D
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7. Ben (02:56:17) :
This movie got released in NZ the other day, and some friends of mine who saw it said it was VERY graphic and brutal. I’m looking forward to seeing it, though I’m not at all a Christian. Too me it looks like the movie is just trying to get more believers more than anything else, but that’s not what film is about. I’ll have to wait and see I guess.
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8. Derek (03:13:39) :
Lots of hype and lots of sold out theaters but in the end this movie kinda sucked. The sotry itself is pretty lame to begin with so as a movie I have to say its a bit of a snooze with some OK acting. Lots and lots and lots of graphic violence for people that were wondering. Some sick scenes in this puppy. I guess if the bible is close to your heart or you just love controversey, it might be a decent flick for you. Everyone can go say how powerful it is and how great their religious egos are but honestly I DID find it moving at parts and its was a decent story of hope and forgiveness. The flashback scenes of Jesus were the best part but other than that its simply a 6/10 for me as a movie fan.
If you want to see a movie based on a fictional book go see LoTR.
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11. kanibus (04:01:33) :
Dionyus187—> couldn’t agree with you more. It’s hilarious that you say that it’s a fictional book. Truthfully i believe in a higher being but seriously, fools are going to church every sunday to be told what they should believe. What the fuck! They are good stories though, i especially like the one about that Job guy, what a sucker.
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12. Thuggin_G_Money (04:04:11) :
It was one of the greatest movies I’ve seen. A great- and informative scene of the last 12 hours in Jesus’ life. If your not interested in religion- whether it be your own or not, or if the Gospel doesn’t intrest you; then your not going to like it. I’m not a religious man so to speak, but this movie moved me… and for the record, I’ll hit a woman!
i hate tv and i hate movies, and I will hate my self for this because this is one of the movie i want to watch so bad, regardless that im not a christian or a jesus christ follower watsoever.
controversy and horrendously brutal scenes…even if it’s the world’s shittiest movie you still have to see it just to see what people are talking about. (like Gigli)
I actually wanna see this movie. I dont really know why, Im not a huge movie buff. But it looks some-what interesting to me.
As for blood and brutality, right on. Gotta love violence.
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17. ocho (07:28:00) :
I hate to brake it to you guys, but whether or not you believe in the Christian version of God, or the Cruxifiction, or the Resurection, or any of Jesus’ supposed miracles…..a lot of this "lame story" is based on solid fact. Jesus was an actual person. He’s not a character in some romance novel.
Either way, it’s a fucking fascinating story.
I think the premier was here in Oz / NZ (dunno why) on Tuesday, Im’a go see it, anything rated R can’t be all bad.
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19. pottedmeat (07:38:00) :
Thanks ocho. Though I don’t completely agree word for word with what you’ve said, Jesus was crucified for no other reason than being a problem to the government and people in power. Now, the Bible is by no means an exact account of what happened. I’m sure some details were skipped and some worded badly, but this is pretty much how it happened and some people have to deal with that.
Whether you like "religion" or not, this guy was cool and though he was just a poor nobody, became more powerful than the government AND established religion. Ya like that, huh? Jesus was against religion.
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20. SaladDressing (08:53:01) :
If Jesus ever actually existed… then why is there no independent verification for it? Other than the Bible, nothing the Romans ever wrote down ever mentions him… and they were anal record keepers. Lets face it, if Religion is your thing, that great but most evidence now seems to suggest that the guy never actually existed and that he is probably just part of another messiah persecution story. Most religions have them, some much older than christianity. The movie… haven’t seen it, probably will… I like Jim Caviezel.
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21. Stink (09:25:18) :
After the beating he took, it’s no wonder that jesus hasn’t returned for more than 2000 years.
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22. UberTube (09:28:14) :
even if you don’t beleive in religion, you gotta admit, if you were walking down the street, Jesus would be a pretty cool cat. One of the nicest guys in the world. I wish there were more people like him running around on this god forsaken planet.
Have you guys ever seen Dead Alive? you know how gory that movie is? in my opinion, The Passion is worse.
i hated the movie and there were people crying in the movie, not because of the emotional impact but because of the sadistic graphic violence.
to quote a new program, "It’s the death of Jesus as written by the Marques de Sade"
not a good movie.
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25. pottedmeat (09:50:46) :
And SaladDressing, how much research have you done? Cornelius Tacitus, Lucian of Samosata, Josephus, to name a few, wrote about Jesus. And why exactly would there be Roman records of Jesus? He wasn’t particularly influential on the government. I’m sure he got people mad, but why would they write about it? He died as a criminal, same as the thousands of others also crucified. Present those records to me. Jesus never talked at a large gala or anywhere that was planned. Jesus was hated, and most people just wanted to ignore him. Remember, Jesus was out to win over the poor and rejected, not those who would keep dogmatic records or would publish them in the "Roman Tribune"
You claim that we should look to sources other than the bible, when no body of ancient writings has been as rigorously preserved, is as internally consistent, or is as well corroborated in non-sympathetic while historically conterminous records, as is the New Testament. What do you think the Bible is? Do you think that its authors intended for it to become what it is? The New Testament is mostly letters between people, not propaganda to get the masses following the writers. If this book was put together as a whole by the group of people who wrote it to "win over" everyone, maybe you can dismiss it. But none of the authors intended their letters to become what they have been.
So, there is an argument you must present. Why is it that there should be a ton of proof that Jesus was around? Why do you not trust the biblical records? Why would the Romans write down something that mentions him? Can you present to me any of the anal Roman records? And how can evidence suggest that he didn’t exist? How can a lack of evidence suggest that he didn’t exist? If you ignore everything written about him, fine, you have less evidence. But no one questions Alexander the Great simply because the only writing about him (a modest few pages) biases him as a great leader.
I agree that religion is crazy. I thought I pointed out that Jesus thought that religion was crazy. Hell, I’m sure that Jesus would be pissed at the church right now. But really, don’t compare the modern church with Jesus, because Jesus was cool and stuff today sucks.
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26. pottedmeat (09:55:08) :
And don’t go to that questionthis site, it will only get you pissed if you’re not a Christian.
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27. Dionysus187 (10:42:08) :
Religion is a mental crutch, if you believe in it to a large extent your weak minded. OF course its only one of many, like drugs or chronic masturbation.
If Jesus does in fact exist in some form atm,from his reported history he would be happier with people who are just good and got on with their lives then poeple who were constantly spouting out crap in the name of religion. If a higher power exist religion is wrong and if it doesn’t their wrong. orgainized Religion=bad Faith=good
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28. pottedmeat (10:56:28) :
Way to be. I would disagree that religion is wrong though, I’m more of the persuasion that people are wrong and screw up what could be a good thing.
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29. Whattman (11:29:23) :
This really isn’t my forte’, but I will probably see it when I can download it off of Kazaa….I am curious, though….What scenes are really graphic?? The actual crucificion(sp), or something else?? It just seems strange that someone mixed the Bible with Friday the 13th and made a movie about it……
Say…….I have been reading the posts on this site for a year or so and I actually posted twice in two days….I guess the blabbermouth in me is rising to the surface……..
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30. Whattman (11:40:36) :
By the way, am I too old to post here?? I too am 38 years old…….Maybe a different view on things??
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31. BMitt (11:54:27) :
I am not a relegious person, but I have read parts of the bible. I have not seen the movie but will, when the crowds die down a bit. If you read the new testament, the story of Jesus’ death is very gory. He was beaten, crowned w/ thorns, and nailed to a cross. I don’t care how it’s depicted, its going to be graphic. I think Mel Gibson deserves a pat on the back for haveing the balls to make a movie about this subject matter and ignoring all the assholes in hollywood!
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32. rkrispy (12:00:18) :
is it true an old lady died of a heart attack during the Crucificion?
rkrispy, yes, it’s true. And she was in perfectly good health too. Well, she was old, but she had no heart problems. (from what the news has sad so far)
Two controversial subjects in row in fubar?! I can’t stand it. I for one AM religious but don’t plan to see the movie because I’d probably claim cardiac arrest. I tear up at the previews. :(
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34. embus (13:26:29) :
Jesus was a sheep screwing, little boy blowing, lying-out-of-his-ass-crazy-to-the-point-of delusion, homosexual, David Koresh wannabe. No different from the crazy bum that lives in back of my 7/11 talking to his imaginary demons.
The movie, however looks great form a history-buff point of view. Irrespctive and regardless of the sexual preference of the main character, I will definitely go see this movie.
By the way… all you weak minded Jesus freaks out there… He ain’t coming back. There’s no point in waiting. There is no Heaven, there are no fiery brimstone pits of Hell… All we have is the time he spend on this Earth alive. Make better use of your time here besides worshiping a nutjob that lived 2000 years ago. Have fun!! Swear!!! Have a one night stand!!! Do some drugs and drink booze every day!!! Make your short miserable lives as fun and happy as they can be. If worshiping a dead guy makes you happy, then you probably deserve your pitiful life anyhow.
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35. tsl141 (13:28:58) :
I’m not a religious person by any means. I could honestly care less to see this movie. I just want to see what all the fuss is about all the gore in the movie. If you crusify someone to a cross as such they did with "Jesus" it would be gory. If you don’t see that you’re too ignorant to even watch the movie in the first place, and should have a "sped" sign perminantly attached to your head. Oh well, with all that said I am losing more and more faith about "Jesus" every minute every day. But if he is real I have a little clause that churchs teach you from day one "all sins are forgiven". If you want to see a kick ass movie about religion rent Dogma.
BTW anyone else think Mel Gibson is a real nut now? I used to think this guy was the coolest thing since sliced bread. Now he’s talking about talking to the "holy ghost". Whatever the hell he’s smoking I want some of that shit, and I don’t even smoke.
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36. firsttimeposter (13:49:08) :
The extent to which people will go to try to defraud Christianity or offend Christians is part of what keeps my faith strong. All you have to do is look at some of the posts in this thread. What provoked such hate for Christians? Does it stem from an inner conflict… a natural tendency to consider that there is some validity to it all?
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37. embus (14:07:16) :
Jesus Fucking Christ firsttimeposter… It’s YOUR attitude that validates MY negative views of Christianity.
"Golly…this guy thinks that Christianity is stupid. There HAS to be something wrong with him…"
There’s nothing wrong with me!! I am a very healthy and happy person. I just happen to have been born with a mind strong enough to see past the cloud of desperation that envelopes most Christians. I am comfortable with my mortality. I do not need to believe that the belief of Jesus is going to secure a spot for me eternally in the afterlife in order to have a happy life. That’s the TRUE reason that religion exists…It is human nature to fear the unknown of Death. It is also human nature to do whatever it takes to creat a comfort zone to pad against that fear - hence religion.
As an armchair scholar of late 2nd Temple Period social and mystical and political mixing in Judah and Egypt I thought you kids might be interested that-
Yeshua was mentioned by a Jewish (Josephus) historian. John the Baptist was likely a more major figure in Roman eyes because he is referenced by them. Yeshua/Jesu was likely John’s #2 Man who was sent to take over the upper half if Isreal (Galil), while John covered the South around the Dead Sea near the Essenes at Qumran.
It was whoever wrote Mark that invented "The Great Secret" notion that Jesus knew he was the Messiah but didn’t mention it EVER. That is why all New Testement readers spend all their time imagining the things said by Jesus/Yeshua confirm that belief. And The man who wrote John typified the idea that the Jewish Messiah (Annointed) wasn’t a man chosen to free the Jews, but a Roman Idea like that of Caesar as a God Born as a Man.
Read what Jesus said without thinking "Messiah" or "God-Man" and you have what Jesus/Yeshua was - an Essene influenced Social-Political Critique with very witty and biting Spiritual insight into human charactor.
Jesus-Yeshua had NOT idea of being anything but a Jewish-Mystic and Social Critic. I like THIS guy - a lot.
And thanks for the h-rez pictures of Thora and Jessica’s breasts. I’m an armchair scholar of young bosom too!
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39. TheOtherAmy (14:50:09) :
embus said:
"By the way… all you weak minded Jesus freaks out there… He ain’t coming back. There’s no point in waiting. There is no Heaven, there are no fiery brimstone pits of Hell… All we have is the time he spend on this Earth alive…"
I was just wondering…how do you know?
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40. ocho (16:19:56) :
"What provoked such hate for Christians?"
Um…the shitload of people they’ve killed in the name of God?
Or the infuriating hypocrisy in being a douch-bag your entire life only to "repent" at the end and stroll into heaven?
Just kidding. Sort of. Organized religion today holds about as much truth for me as does Roman mythology. But to say it’s not a positive force is insane. As is to say(embus) that you’re better off drinking and doing drugs than having faith in something that transcends yourself. Those two things, by the way, don’t need to mutually exclusive.
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41. barlow (16:23:14) :
I’m gonna lay down my thing now. Whether you believe in Christianity and Jesus or not, the PURE FACT that people have done good (and bad) in the name of something you can’t even see is pretty cool (except for the bad). I mean, you believe in gravity, right? You can’t see it, but it’s there.
"It is sad that no matter what a persons’ political or moral stances on things are; they are many times totally intolerant of anything that varies from their view."
I think I got this from another post, but it still applies. Christian or not, why do you have to bash? I wouldn’t bash you because I believe in God. I wouldn’t call you "an idiot" like many of you would quickly call me. I would just say "that’s cool, we have different opinions." I don’t force you to go to church with me, I don’t hurt you in any way, and yet many of you would mark me an idiot until I threw my morals out the door.
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43. The Fact Guy (17:15:12) :
Um, why are people backing up christianainty when in christinaity(sorry for spelling) porn is a sin…. And since this whole website is kind of based on pornorgraphy, why are you people on this website in teh first place?
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44. the captain (17:15:35) :
Yes, It’s worth it. It has more blood and guts than Braveheart or Saving Private Ryan and more meaning and message than any other shitty Hollywood movie out right now.
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45. embus (17:29:03) :
ocho -
My point is very simple. I’m not saying drink and do drugs and don’t believe in a higher power… It is my firm belief that Christianity is a joke. Most of its tennants are based strongly in fantasy and conjecture. Why waste your time preparing for something that is never going to happen? I am definately NOT saying that the principals and ideology behind Christianity are negative, because they are not. They are the standard and common ideas behind all major religions and philosophies… peace, love and compassion. Why not drink a beer and smoke a joint if it’s going to make you a happy person?? Because the Bible says it’s wrong?? That is pure bullshit. Open your eyes wide enough, and everyone can see the truth… if you never try, you will never succeed. Faith is the easy route through life for weakminded people. To me it makes no sense spending my whole life striving for the intangible.
Oh… TheOtherAmy -
I know through two thousand and four years of collective information, discovery, and practice.
You are all blinded sheep. I have room to criticize because I have put in the time and effort to formulate an intelligent and informed opinion. Faith is an incredibly strong emotion, and it CAN and WILL blind you to the truth. Jesus was nothing more and nothing less than an incredible MAN, with beautiful thoughts and ideas. Ideas that have spanned the generations. The only way that Jesus will live again is through these principles and ideas. He was not the Son of God, or the Messiah, or your Savior… Jesus never saved me from anything!! How about you?
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46. RedEye (18:00:07) :
Embus - Why do you think that Jesus was even a (real) man?
There are many credible arguments that Jesus as such NEVER existed. I’m sure Honorius of Thebes would agree that we really know very little about the Essenes, but it is quite likely that the thinking that underlies the original New Testament ideology of the "Bible" is clearly influence by the Essenes.
However it is also clearly influenced by an even older mystery cult, the Greek Dionysians who in turn were adapting the older Osiris mythologies of Egypt.
(For Honorious and pottedmeat, I’d be curious on your take on the Freke & Gandy’s analysis in "The Jesus Mysteries" and your take on Elaine Pagel’s work.)
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47. TheOtherAmy (18:00:31) :
Last time I checked, no one had proven Jesus was or was not the Son of God.
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48. Monkey! (18:24:21) :
Great point, Amy. That’s really all that can be said. I guess everyone will just have to wait until death and pray that they are right, or that God really is forgiving. :)
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49. Monkey! (18:27:58) :
By the way, I am a Christian. I just think it’s amazing how NOBODY knows the truth, and yet people are calling each other "blind sheep" and criticizing. Wait and see. If I’m wrong, no loss. I’m dead. If you’re wrong, eternal damnation. Don’t take that as a reason to be a Christian, because it’s not. Just a perk.
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50. embus (18:33:58) :
RedEye!
Good point indeed!! Regardless of his actual being or not, his ideals portrayed through scripture are really of which I speak. They are the same ideals spoken by every great man throughout the many different histories, cultures and beliefs of this world.
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51. pottedmeat (18:50:18) :
Well, to answer RedEye, I would point out that the influence of culture on the Bible did nothing to change who Jesus, the human, was. Like I’ve already said, the Bible was not written the way we have it. Much of the Bible were simply letters between friends. Luke is one of the letters and one which is simply written to be as historically accurate as possible in regards to this human. You will see little influence in his work. You know, fine, whatever, there are problems with religion, Christianity, whatever. But are you really so scared by this all that you have to look towards conspiracy theories? You want to tell me that there’s credible evidence that Jesus didn’t exist? How is that even possible? How can you prove that someone didn’t exist? The only thing you can prove is that there is no evidence, which still doesn’t prove that he didn’t exist. And fine, it’s similar to other religions, but only similar. The hoops that are jumped through become ridiculous, tying a main character from this story, to that one. Not only that, but the counter proof is alarming, especially since it’s being compared to a theory. If you want to prove to me that Jesus didn’t exist, prove to me that you can provide evidence that any other poor carpenter criminal did.
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52. embus (18:51:45) :
Ahhhhh….Monkey!
The blind can speak!!!! Next time remember.. sheep say "Baaaaaaaa".
And another thing… I DO KNOW THE TRUTH. How long will Christians retain their faith and wait for the second coming? At what point in time are you forced to re-evaluate your beliefs? 2000 years of history to the contrary is enough for me. Call me a synic, or whatever you will… I just don’t like being lied to.
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53. TheOtherAmy (18:56:55) :
embus…what’s you’re issue? who fucking cares what you believe or I believe or anybody believes? Beliefs are beliefs. If mine differ from yours…no one really cares. I’m all for debate and discussion, but you are just plain rude.
It seems like your insults are filler for your lack of an argument.
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54. TheOtherAmy (19:11:49) :
eww, you’re = your
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55. embus (20:07:12) :
Obviously YOU care, or else I wouldn’t have to listen to your drabble. And my argument is-a-plenty. Maybe you are to ignorant to deduce the meaning from my words…
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56. SaladDressing (20:20:58) :
C’mon dude… do a Google search for problems with Tacitus, Josephus etc… if your gonna use them as evidence please don’t… it makes you look silly. Most reputable scholars wont use them for a reason… The jesus myth is just a re-hashing of much more ancient myths used in much more ancient religions. Why is that fact so hard to accept? Would it shatter your whole world view to admit that the guy is a myth? Oh well, one man’s salvation is another man’s belly laugh. That holds true I guess.
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57. ocho (20:49:53) :
Seriously…I don’t get why people that don’t believe in God(or Jesus, or Tactitus…or whatever) are so compelled to insult religious people for their beliefs. Embus- has a group of missionaries come to your vilage and thrown away your "pagan" idols? Probably not. So what do you care if a huge percentage of the earth’s population believes that Jesus is the son of God? I believe my neighbor is a lesbian. She’s probably not….but my belief that she is shouldn’t hurt your feelings.
stacia definitely has my favorite comment on this thread.
those who are so quick to bash on others’ beliefs are the weak-minded. that need to find fault in others’ arguments just to prove how fucking smart and rad and intellectual you are.
in wanting/needing to win an argument so badly… that’s when you lose. it shouldn’t matter if you win.
Wow. Never imgained that the number of comments on this would be so high. Actually, I did but not to this extent. I have heard from many people it’s a good movie. I am a religious person, so allow me to step on my soap box for a minute or two.
First off, those of you that say there is no god, are lost. Way off. How did we get here? Did evolution really work? It’s my opinion that evolution is a bunch of BS made up a few hundred years ago to cause disruption with the church. Remember, 400 years ago the pilgrims came to America on a basis of religion, about the same time evolution was taking shape. The big bang theory combined with evolution is just too much of a strech of the imagination—allbeit a good one— to believe. There’s as much, if not more speculation in the big bang than in the Bible.
"This person contradicts themselves more than the Bible." For all you people who say the Bible contradicts itself, I ask you one simple question: Where? Usually the people who say that have not studied or are even familiar with the Bible. (Not saying I’ve studied it but, they can’t say that without knowing.) Don’t you think if this book that most of the world’s religions are based on contradicted itself, someone would’ve figured it out?
As mentioned in some above comments it’s not about religion but faith. That I agree on. Believing that there is someone who cares for you is powerful is an awesome idea. That’s all the Bible teaches. This "God" loves us all so much that he sent his son to die for everything we did wrong ever. He even says that in his word, the Bible: "For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son, and whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life." That’s right, John 3:16. You just have to believe that he loves you and you’re in. It’s not a crutch for the weak, it’s simple. That’s why you all don’t get it. You keep looking at it and saying "What? An eternity of goodness? All I have to do is believe in something that has yet to be proven wrong? That can’t be right." I’m here, dismantling from my soap box to tell you it is.
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60. uncle pauly (22:02:27) :
excellent movie.
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61. Sam (22:43:19) :
It’s funny. This overhyped movie was actually not controversial at all. Mel Gibson was disappointingly safe in his story-telling in that he covered all his bases, seemingly making sure not to piss really anyone off.
Also, I wanted to punch the ladies behind me in the theater who were sobbing. It’s just a fucking MOVIE! REMEMBER PEOPLE, this movie was made for the same reason any other movie was made: TO MAKE MONEY. Mel Gibson and everyone else involved in this movie did a brilliant job of marketing this movie because not only was the "average" movie-goer intrigued to the point where they had to watch it, but this movie also tapped into a demographic of otherwise "annoyingly religious" people who probably don’t really get out much. Thus, more money was to be made from their attendance.
One last thing. Religion to me is somewhat comical. For all we really know, Jesus could have just been some borderline insane man who believed he was the son of God who found some weak, low self-esteemed "sheep" type folks with NOTHING ELSE going for themselves to believe in his crazy rants. Furthermore, COUPLE THAT with the fact that this supposedly happened several hundred years ago! Think how much stories get embellished over even a course of a FEW DAYS when you hear something from a friend or a co-worker. That shit can get out of hand REAL QUICK.
Religion is for the weak. It’s for people who believe in something simply because their parents did, and it gets passed on from generation to generation. If your parents took you to church every Sunday to worship carrots as a kid, then you would be a 40 year-old man worshipping carrots. NO MAN can heal blind people. It’s not physically possible. No man can PART A FUCKING SEA. It’s not physically possible. If you don’t take the literal meanings of the nursery rhymes your mom used to read you when you were little, then WHY are you believing that ONE MAN is so special? It’s all a hoax that got passed on over the years…
Bush is the reason religion pisses me off so much. Institutions not touched by religion seem to work so smoothly it boggles the mind, introduce that warped factor into it and the works get clogged. Bush and his mob want to actually constitutionally ban a loving marriage between two completely caring and consenting adults. Based around what? A myth filled book about a mythical being and the religion that sprouted up around it. Stop trying to mess with a rightful seperation of church and state and then the religious can claim that they are not the ones throwing it in our faces first.
Oh yeah, and I second everything Sam has to say… right on dude!
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64. boreddude (23:14:41) :
jesus was a good dude who said "hey why don’t you guys be nice to each other and not fuck each other over" this is a really nice thouhgt that somehow was corrupted by organized religion to bring us things like crusades and missionares destroying other religions in the name of one true god. I was raised catholic and about all the said cotroversy, I was pretty sure the jews were resposible for the death of jesus, so wheres the fuking controversy?
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65. boreddude (23:16:42) :
and no i have nothing against jews or any other religous group, they all have the right to believe in whatever particular fantasy they want too.
As one King Missile once put it, "Jesus is way cool."
:)
Good stuff.
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67. azluigi (23:33:15) :
Ever biblical scientists christian jewish or any faith agree that a amn named jesus was cuxsified and pontif pilot was the governor.If you dont believe jesus is the son of god fine,but he was a ctual person of flesh and blood.they have also know that paul and ppeter are real people.
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68. Monkey! (23:45:46) :
"Religion is for the weak."
That is my favorite comment in this thread. Oh boy. Where to even start with that?
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69. discommode00 (01:12:05) :
I believe in Jesus and I don’t want or need proof, but this shit got me upset
"It is said that those who hate and persecute homosexuals the most have, themselves, strong homosexual tendencies that they are trying to repress."
Who fucking said that?
Why is everything always some "it is said"?
Maybe people hate homosexuals because they hate homosexuality?
I’ve gone and explained it all in today’s post on my webpage (yes, I’ve finally posted something). Yes, it’s a shameless plug, but I didn’t feel that copying and pasting it over to here was exactly the way to go. Furthermore, this way reduces the amount of bitching that’s going to come in my general direction after you read it.
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71. Bubba (01:51:24) :
What a stupid movie.
Never heard of it…
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72. kvl (01:51:30) :
this thread is a bit too philosophical…get back to the discussions about how big a girls tits are and "would you do her?"
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73. bligityblah (01:55:21) :
One thing I forgot to mention, you can’t really judge this movie on ticket sales. That being said in a week or so when all the church bought tickets cycle through then we’ll see what this movie does. If it sets any records they should all have an asterisk by them. I don’t care either way. TPoTC probably doesn’t have enough car crashes, gunfights, or explosions to hold my attention anyway.
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74. bligityblah (12:08:27) :
Entire topic = blah, again.
Lets debate something less pointless that hasn’t been beaten into the ground like say gun control or abortion. While we’re at it we can talk about who actually won the 2000 election and why. Religion as an idea is a wonderful thing, faith and understanding in fellow man is the key to for me, I have none. There is no possible way the bible is the "word of god". That whole argument about how it is because the guys that wrote it were apostles thing is flawed, maybe those guys spent too much time in the sun and were padding their resume. And now for my list of things that will bring about the end of the world:
1. Organized Religion - Too many questions and wrong answers to "God" question.
2. Supermarkets - Nothing dilutes the gene pool like giving stupid people food.
3. Cosmo Magazine - There are more than 10 ways to please your man and no one is that skinny, pretty, rich, or smart!
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75. secondtimeposter (12:16:51) :
Quoth embus:
"Jesus was a sheep screwing, little boy blowing, lying-out-of-his-ass-crazy-to-the-point-of delusion, homosexual, David Koresh wannabe. No different from the crazy bum that lives in back of my 7/11 talking to his imaginary demons."
"I just happen to have been born with a mind strong enough to see past the cloud of desperation that envelopes most Christians."
"You are all blinded sheep."
"The blind can speak!!!! Next time remember.. sheep say "Baaaaaaaa"."
"all you weak minded Jesus freaks out there… He ain’t coming back. There’s no point in waiting. There is no Heaven, there are no fiery brimstone pits of Hell.."
"Maybe you are to ignorant to deduce the meaning from my words…"
The defense rests.
You are free to believe in nothing without putting so much effort into discrediting the beliefs of others. Most of the people I know are athiests, and I have known few as belligerent and condescending as you. The ones I have known that could compare were usually former (or eventual) Christians.
It is said that those who hate and persecute homosexuals the most have, themselves, strong homosexual tendencies that they are trying to repress. I believe the same can be said of those who show unreasonable scorn toward Christians (and it goes the other way, too, of course… with Christians who are unreasonably hateful towards non-Christians).
Long story short, those who are comfortable in their beliefs, as you claim to be, don’t spend an entire day on an Internet message board ridiculing theists.
By all means, continue to congratulate yourself for being a cynic (yes, it’s spelled with a "c," oh Strong-Minded One). Just don’t expect us to take you seriously when your own inner conflict is so blatantly transparent.
How the sales go the first five days determines how long it will run –hence the people that support the movie seeing it right away.
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78. bligityblah (13:19:17) :
But they are seeing it with tickets they didn’t buy. If Bill Gates wanted to blow a billion dollars on a movie premier he wanted to set a record it wouldn’t count would it? Why should a church buying up millions of tickets be any different?
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79. embus (13:44:09) :
Secondtime…
You are so confused. Is it so bad that I have a strong opinion? Does your belief carry more merit than my non-belief?
And what the fuck are you trying to say with your homosexuality analogy? Are you trying to say that I have some sort of latent Christianity I am trying to suppress??
Your counterpoints are weak and stretched, at best. Besides my gratuitous insults, for which I make no excuse, all of my comments were simply my beliefs. As you believe in Jesus, I do not. For you to attack me for expressing my views, as radical as they may be, is nothing more than the pot calling the kettle black, as well as being entirely un-Christianly intolerant of my beliefs.
"Just don’t expect us to take you seriously when your own inner conflict is so blatantly transparent."
Blatantly transparent to who?? Re-read everything I have said in this post, and tell me where I appear to be at conflict? It seems to me that I know EXACTLY where I stand, and EXACTLY what I believe in. If you want to attack me for something, put a little effort into it next time.
Oh, and one spelling mistake is in no way indicative of my intelligence or lack thereof. From you, oh Great Theist, I would expect more tact than you have shown. Trying to discredit my beliefs for a spelling mistake?? Explain that one to your Pastor.
Ocho-
Pagan Idols?? You are an idiot.
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80. Bubba (13:59:18) :
What a stupid movie.
Never heard of it…
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81. gino (15:32:03) :
so many bigots in this world…
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82. embus (15:58:31) :
Yes, there are. And it is amazing how bigotry plays boths sides…
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83. Honorius of Thebes (16:05:05) :
- Talking Point: Jesus was a rehash of Myth…
Well…the Church version is. The Roman God-Man and the Near-Eastern Dying God were mental constructs people applied to things they saw. People who saw Yeshua speak on traditional Jewish Legal Questions could be saying in thier heads "This guy is the Messiah" or "This is truely a God not a man". Those weird interpretations ands their oral accounts, later written down, don’t MAKE THE GUY a Myth.
- Talking Point: Josephus was a bad Historian.
Face it, he was a PREJUDICED historian. All those old "historians" were apologists for one side or another. Historians spend time asking questions like "Does this sound like a fact or his prejudice?" In fact, Josephus’s Histories had later Christian inserts like "He was the Son of God". The good news is you can tell them when you see them by text analisis.
- Talking Point: not much is known about the Essenes…
Popular Culture is a level which current academic knowledge take about 10 to 15 years to reach. I saw a "Life of Jesus" on the History Channel that promoted a level of scholarship as was current in about 1970 to 1980. This was a Documentary made about 3 years ago.
- Talking Point: Christianity did unforgivable harm.
Yes it did. People do inexcusable harm-all in the name of whatever Vapor is boiling their brains.
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84. Monkey! (16:13:33) :
bligityblah:
It CAN be judged by ticket sales. The churches buying tickets in bulk aren’t just passing them out for free. Why not? Because churches don’t have a lot of money. They are supported by the church members. 99% of the churches are selling the tickets to the people for the same price, just making the process easier. As long as the tickets are being used and not used to make lots of confetti, the movie can be judged by ticket sales, regardless of who is attending the movie.
AND embus….You getting all defensive when somebody like secondtimeposter says something, just makes you look like a complete jackass.
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85. ocho (16:23:51) :
Weird….I don’t feel like an idiot.
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86. bligityblah (16:38:47) :
I’d like to see that stat monkey, everything I’ve read and seen states that the tickets are being given out to the congregation. Excuse me for thinking that’s a flawed statistic. Besides, God would never want a church to spend money on wasteful things like food and support for the poor when there is a Bible-thumping movie out.
Need I go on? Swing and a miss monkey, I’ll save you the banana jokes.
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87. RedEye (17:59:34) :
Honorious,
Help me educate myself. Please email me any information you can share on how I might get a hold of the most recent research on the Essenes. It would be most appreciated.
-RedEye
O> (sigil tilted 90 degrees clockwise thanks to ASCII)
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88. boreddude (18:17:06) :
as far as im concerned titanic shoulnd’t hold the reccord for highest grossing movie. why? well becouse nearly half of those seeing it are men who never would have, had thier wives or girlfriends dragged them there.
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89. Rusty James (19:36:21) :
The only way anyone will understand the movie is if they read the Bible or New testament at least. People shouldn’t trash on something they don’t understand. As for violence or controversy; all that was made up by people who hate christianity. House of 1000 corpses, The Cell, Natural born Killers…all had violence to the extreme with the first two without any reedeming quality to them. I knew many reviewers who praised movies like The Cell as brilliant, but the Passion deals with the straight concept of GOD and people hate it because of that. Directors who come out with movies that express their feeling are mostly respected and praised but Mel Gibson was bashed on because he made a movie about Christ, its just that simple. As for the advertising, that’s how hollywood works you got to get the message out somehow and I can respect Gibson for forking over his own money to do the movie. I mean we all liked Braveheart right?
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90. bligityblah (20:37:34) :
Anyone who thinks he did this because of his love of Christ is a fool. This is a brilliant move on his part both financially and career wise.
Why would else would Mel Gibson make this movie? He was told that this would probably ruin his career. And do you think he honestly needs MORE money? How the hell do you know WHY he did it? Get your head out of your ass.
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93. farmerboy (11:11:56) :
Where in the bible does it say you cant drink or look at porn?
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94. jed (12:19:09) :
Does he need more money?
As for church purchased tickets, the one I attend purchased blocks for equal price "resale" to those who signed up. I personally did not attend and have little interest in seeing any movie in a crowded theater. My wife did go on Wednesday and was very moved, but she is much more spiritual than I. I agree with boreddude re the Titanic thing (refused to see it) but wonder about his financial argument (see first sentence). I think embus has many darts that have been shot through him. He brings up many issues I have questioned over the years but is a very bitter person. (anyone ever listen to Pink Floyd Animals?) I think Ghandi said something like "I like their Christ but I don’t like their Christians", which is also true of every faith. Take democrats for example.
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95. bligityblah (12:33:28) :
Monkey you are an idiot, controversy always generates profit. For an example, look at ticket sales to this point. If he were a true Christian he would have donated the money and there would be no merchandising as show above. Mel is a good actor and a better director, oh he’ll work again a lot more than he would have had he not put this movie out. He puts butts in the seats, bottom line sweetheart.
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96. Monkey! (13:18:25) :
You’re idea of a "true Christian" is nothing but YOUR IDEA. How would you know the true ideals of a Christian. It sucks that I’m an idiot, but apparently anyone other than you is an idiot also. By the way, Mel Gibson DID use his own money, but he’s going to earn it back like a smart person. Why would he just donate millions of dollars? Christians have jobs too, idiot.
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97. bligityblah (16:34:04) :
Exactly you dolt, I know he used his own money and he’s going to earn it back and plus a shit load more! That is the whole point of everything I have been saying. He made this movie for financial gain, not to spread the word of Christ. So much for that giving and wanting nothing in return thing. How is live on Venus anyway? It seems the gasses and dense atmosphere have had a profound effect on you. Lets call a spade a spade dear boy.
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98. ChristKiller (19:39:04) :
Jeebus I’d hit it
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99. grud (12:42:02) :
I won’t go see it. No Monica Belluci breasts shown. I’m also pissed because there’s no Danny Glover cameo.
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100. Monkey! (18:32:02) :
That’s exactly what I fucking said, you idiot. He’s going to make his money back. Show me where it says Christians can’t make money and I’ll give you your trophy. Christians have to work and make money just like everyone else. Why are you so ignorant to say that Mel Gibson can’t spread the word of Christ and make money while doing it? Does it even really matter what Mel Gibson is doing as long as the word is being spread? The maker of The Passion of the Christ could be a retarded hermaphrodite with a bad case of herpes for all I care, as long as the word is being spread. Your criticism of Mel Gibson is beside the point. Keep up with your witty responses though. Maybe eventually I will actually feel stupid (because that seems to be the point of your comments), but until then, keep trying.
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101. bligityblah (20:44:58) :
You’re really dense, I pick something apart, you claim I didn’t and then use it to back yourself up…When a dog chases it’s tail it’s cute…When you do it it’s sad monkey. My whole point was that he made the movie for financial and other gains, not because God told him to. If it were about serving God then he would have given the money to charity or done some other good with it. People who believe in God and Jesus are aware that he suffered for their sins, better service to God and the Christian faith would have been to give more background to who Jesus was and what he believed in so as to possibly recruit more people to the faith. This movie is no different than Austin Powers or Titanic. It’s about selling tickets, not spreading the word and teachings of God. I never criticized Gibson, in fact I praised his acting and directing abilities. I only questioned his motives which you didn’t seem to grasp.
Silly Monkey, Trix are for kids!
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102. dr.einstein (21:05:51) :
There are no idiots, just idiotic posts. Now that THAT is settled…
I thought the flick was pretty sadistic, totally obsessed with the torture and capital punishment of a prophet. Since it didn’t really tell a story or even offer an interesting viewpoint, it could only be enjoyed by followers of that prophet… or sadists.
Besides the plotless, dimensionless portrayal of a good beating, I do have to say that Jim Caviezel did a damn fine job of acting. And sweet Monica did a damn fine job of being damn fine!
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103. Monkey! (23:03:28) :
Once again, this is all due to your distorted view of Christians.
" If it were about serving God then he would have given the money to charity or done some other good with it."
Would anyone else like to help out with this one? By the way, have you heard any announcements saying that he won’t be giving any of it to char
What a stupid movie.
Never heard of it…
Too much blood…I wont watch.
pansy
it’s worth the hype, unless you have never read any of the Bible. If you never read the Bible, then why would you go see a movie about the Bible. Go see 50 first dates or something fun.
juston, we know you’re in mid terms or something like that, but seriously… you call this a post? =(
meant justin, sorry =D
This movie got released in NZ the other day, and some friends of mine who saw it said it was VERY graphic and brutal. I’m looking forward to seeing it, though I’m not at all a Christian. Too me it looks like the movie is just trying to get more believers more than anything else, but that’s not what film is about. I’ll have to wait and see I guess.
Lots of hype and lots of sold out theaters but in the end this movie kinda sucked. The sotry itself is pretty lame to begin with so as a movie I have to say its a bit of a snooze with some OK acting. Lots and lots and lots of graphic violence for people that were wondering. Some sick scenes in this puppy. I guess if the bible is close to your heart or you just love controversey, it might be a decent flick for you. Everyone can go say how powerful it is and how great their religious egos are but honestly I DID find it moving at parts and its was a decent story of hope and forgiveness. The flashback scenes of Jesus were the best part but other than that its simply a 6/10 for me as a movie fan.
definitely sucked.
If you want to see a movie based on a fictional book go see LoTR.
Dionyus187—> couldn’t agree with you more. It’s hilarious that you say that it’s a fictional book. Truthfully i believe in a higher being but seriously, fools are going to church every sunday to be told what they should believe. What the fuck! They are good stories though, i especially like the one about that Job guy, what a sucker.
It was one of the greatest movies I’ve seen. A great- and informative scene of the last 12 hours in Jesus’ life. If your not interested in religion- whether it be your own or not, or if the Gospel doesn’t intrest you; then your not going to like it. I’m not a religious man so to speak, but this movie moved me… and for the record, I’ll hit a woman!
i hate tv and i hate movies, and I will hate my self for this because this is one of the movie i want to watch so bad, regardless that im not a christian or a jesus christ follower watsoever.
controversy and horrendously brutal scenes…even if it’s the world’s shittiest movie you still have to see it just to see what people are talking about. (like Gigli)
A powerful tool for conversion
I actually wanna see this movie. I dont really know why, Im not a huge movie buff. But it looks some-what interesting to me.
As for blood and brutality, right on. Gotta love violence.
I hate to brake it to you guys, but whether or not you believe in the Christian version of God, or the Cruxifiction, or the Resurection, or any of Jesus’ supposed miracles…..a lot of this "lame story" is based on solid fact. Jesus was an actual person. He’s not a character in some romance novel.
Either way, it’s a fucking fascinating story.
I think the premier was here in Oz / NZ (dunno why) on Tuesday, Im’a go see it, anything rated R can’t be all bad.
Thanks ocho. Though I don’t completely agree word for word with what you’ve said, Jesus was crucified for no other reason than being a problem to the government and people in power. Now, the Bible is by no means an exact account of what happened. I’m sure some details were skipped and some worded badly, but this is pretty much how it happened and some people have to deal with that.
Whether you like "religion" or not, this guy was cool and though he was just a poor nobody, became more powerful than the government AND established religion. Ya like that, huh? Jesus was against religion.
If Jesus ever actually existed… then why is there no independent verification for it? Other than the Bible, nothing the Romans ever wrote down ever mentions him… and they were anal record keepers. Lets face it, if Religion is your thing, that great but most evidence now seems to suggest that the guy never actually existed and that he is probably just part of another messiah persecution story. Most religions have them, some much older than christianity. The movie… haven’t seen it, probably will… I like Jim Caviezel.
After the beating he took, it’s no wonder that jesus hasn’t returned for more than 2000 years.
even if you don’t beleive in religion, you gotta admit, if you were walking down the street, Jesus would be a pretty cool cat. One of the nicest guys in the world. I wish there were more people like him running around on this god forsaken planet.
http://www.questionthis.com/
Have you guys ever seen Dead Alive? you know how gory that movie is? in my opinion, The Passion is worse.
i hated the movie and there were people crying in the movie, not because of the emotional impact but because of the sadistic graphic violence.
to quote a new program, "It’s the death of Jesus as written by the Marques de Sade"
not a good movie.
And SaladDressing, how much research have you done? Cornelius Tacitus, Lucian of Samosata, Josephus, to name a few, wrote about Jesus. And why exactly would there be Roman records of Jesus? He wasn’t particularly influential on the government. I’m sure he got people mad, but why would they write about it? He died as a criminal, same as the thousands of others also crucified. Present those records to me. Jesus never talked at a large gala or anywhere that was planned. Jesus was hated, and most people just wanted to ignore him. Remember, Jesus was out to win over the poor and rejected, not those who would keep dogmatic records or would publish them in the "Roman Tribune"
You claim that we should look to sources other than the bible, when no body of ancient writings has been as rigorously preserved, is as internally consistent, or is as well corroborated in non-sympathetic while historically conterminous records, as is the New Testament. What do you think the Bible is? Do you think that its authors intended for it to become what it is? The New Testament is mostly letters between people, not propaganda to get the masses following the writers. If this book was put together as a whole by the group of people who wrote it to "win over" everyone, maybe you can dismiss it. But none of the authors intended their letters to become what they have been.
So, there is an argument you must present. Why is it that there should be a ton of proof that Jesus was around? Why do you not trust the biblical records? Why would the Romans write down something that mentions him? Can you present to me any of the anal Roman records? And how can evidence suggest that he didn’t exist? How can a lack of evidence suggest that he didn’t exist? If you ignore everything written about him, fine, you have less evidence. But no one questions Alexander the Great simply because the only writing about him (a modest few pages) biases him as a great leader.
I agree that religion is crazy. I thought I pointed out that Jesus thought that religion was crazy. Hell, I’m sure that Jesus would be pissed at the church right now. But really, don’t compare the modern church with Jesus, because Jesus was cool and stuff today sucks.
And don’t go to that questionthis site, it will only get you pissed if you’re not a Christian.
Religion is a mental crutch, if you believe in it to a large extent your weak minded. OF course its only one of many, like drugs or chronic masturbation.
If Jesus does in fact exist in some form atm,from his reported history he would be happier with people who are just good and got on with their lives then poeple who were constantly spouting out crap in the name of religion. If a higher power exist religion is wrong and if it doesn’t their wrong. orgainized Religion=bad Faith=good
Way to be. I would disagree that religion is wrong though, I’m more of the persuasion that people are wrong and screw up what could be a good thing.
This really isn’t my forte’, but I will probably see it when I can download it off of Kazaa….I am curious, though….What scenes are really graphic?? The actual crucificion(sp), or something else?? It just seems strange that someone mixed the Bible with Friday the 13th and made a movie about it……
Say…….I have been reading the posts on this site for a year or so and I actually posted twice in two days….I guess the blabbermouth in me is rising to the surface……..
By the way, am I too old to post here?? I too am 38 years old…….Maybe a different view on things??
I am not a relegious person, but I have read parts of the bible. I have not seen the movie but will, when the crowds die down a bit. If you read the new testament, the story of Jesus’ death is very gory. He was beaten, crowned w/ thorns, and nailed to a cross. I don’t care how it’s depicted, its going to be graphic. I think Mel Gibson deserves a pat on the back for haveing the balls to make a movie about this subject matter and ignoring all the assholes in hollywood!
is it true an old lady died of a heart attack during the Crucificion?
rkrispy, yes, it’s true. And she was in perfectly good health too. Well, she was old, but she had no heart problems. (from what the news has sad so far)
Two controversial subjects in row in fubar?! I can’t stand it. I for one AM religious but don’t plan to see the movie because I’d probably claim cardiac arrest. I tear up at the previews. :(
Jesus was a sheep screwing, little boy blowing, lying-out-of-his-ass-crazy-to-the-point-of delusion, homosexual, David Koresh wannabe. No different from the crazy bum that lives in back of my 7/11 talking to his imaginary demons.
The movie, however looks great form a history-buff point of view. Irrespctive and regardless of the sexual preference of the main character, I will definitely go see this movie.
By the way… all you weak minded Jesus freaks out there… He ain’t coming back. There’s no point in waiting. There is no Heaven, there are no fiery brimstone pits of Hell… All we have is the time he spend on this Earth alive. Make better use of your time here besides worshiping a nutjob that lived 2000 years ago. Have fun!! Swear!!! Have a one night stand!!! Do some drugs and drink booze every day!!! Make your short miserable lives as fun and happy as they can be. If worshiping a dead guy makes you happy, then you probably deserve your pitiful life anyhow.
I’m not a religious person by any means. I could honestly care less to see this movie. I just want to see what all the fuss is about all the gore in the movie. If you crusify someone to a cross as such they did with "Jesus" it would be gory. If you don’t see that you’re too ignorant to even watch the movie in the first place, and should have a "sped" sign perminantly attached to your head. Oh well, with all that said I am losing more and more faith about "Jesus" every minute every day. But if he is real I have a little clause that churchs teach you from day one "all sins are forgiven". If you want to see a kick ass movie about religion rent Dogma.
BTW anyone else think Mel Gibson is a real nut now? I used to think this guy was the coolest thing since sliced bread. Now he’s talking about talking to the "holy ghost". Whatever the hell he’s smoking I want some of that shit, and I don’t even smoke.
The extent to which people will go to try to defraud Christianity or offend Christians is part of what keeps my faith strong. All you have to do is look at some of the posts in this thread. What provoked such hate for Christians? Does it stem from an inner conflict… a natural tendency to consider that there is some validity to it all?
Jesus Fucking Christ firsttimeposter… It’s YOUR attitude that validates MY negative views of Christianity.
"Golly…this guy thinks that Christianity is stupid. There HAS to be something wrong with him…"
There’s nothing wrong with me!! I am a very healthy and happy person. I just happen to have been born with a mind strong enough to see past the cloud of desperation that envelopes most Christians. I am comfortable with my mortality. I do not need to believe that the belief of Jesus is going to secure a spot for me eternally in the afterlife in order to have a happy life. That’s the TRUE reason that religion exists…It is human nature to fear the unknown of Death. It is also human nature to do whatever it takes to creat a comfort zone to pad against that fear - hence religion.
As an armchair scholar of late 2nd Temple Period social and mystical and political mixing in Judah and Egypt I thought you kids might be interested that-
Yeshua was mentioned by a Jewish (Josephus) historian. John the Baptist was likely a more major figure in Roman eyes because he is referenced by them. Yeshua/Jesu was likely John’s #2 Man who was sent to take over the upper half if Isreal (Galil), while John covered the South around the Dead Sea near the Essenes at Qumran.
It was whoever wrote Mark that invented "The Great Secret" notion that Jesus knew he was the Messiah but didn’t mention it EVER. That is why all New Testement readers spend all their time imagining the things said by Jesus/Yeshua confirm that belief. And The man who wrote John typified the idea that the Jewish Messiah (Annointed) wasn’t a man chosen to free the Jews, but a Roman Idea like that of Caesar as a God Born as a Man.
Read what Jesus said without thinking "Messiah" or "God-Man" and you have what Jesus/Yeshua was - an Essene influenced Social-Political Critique with very witty and biting Spiritual insight into human charactor.
Jesus-Yeshua had NOT idea of being anything but a Jewish-Mystic and Social Critic. I like THIS guy - a lot.
And thanks for the h-rez pictures of Thora and Jessica’s breasts. I’m an armchair scholar of young bosom too!
embus said:
"By the way… all you weak minded Jesus freaks out there… He ain’t coming back. There’s no point in waiting. There is no Heaven, there are no fiery brimstone pits of Hell… All we have is the time he spend on this Earth alive…"
I was just wondering…how do you know?
"What provoked such hate for Christians?"
Um…the shitload of people they’ve killed in the name of God?
Or the infuriating hypocrisy in being a douch-bag your entire life only to "repent" at the end and stroll into heaven?
Just kidding. Sort of. Organized religion today holds about as much truth for me as does Roman mythology. But to say it’s not a positive force is insane. As is to say(embus) that you’re better off drinking and doing drugs than having faith in something that transcends yourself. Those two things, by the way, don’t need to mutually exclusive.
I’m gonna lay down my thing now. Whether you believe in Christianity and Jesus or not, the PURE FACT that people have done good (and bad) in the name of something you can’t even see is pretty cool (except for the bad). I mean, you believe in gravity, right? You can’t see it, but it’s there.
"It is sad that no matter what a persons’ political or moral stances on things are; they are many times totally intolerant of anything that varies from their view."
I think I got this from another post, but it still applies. Christian or not, why do you have to bash? I wouldn’t bash you because I believe in God. I wouldn’t call you "an idiot" like many of you would quickly call me. I would just say "that’s cool, we have different opinions." I don’t force you to go to church with me, I don’t hurt you in any way, and yet many of you would mark me an idiot until I threw my morals out the door.
Um, why are people backing up christianainty when in christinaity(sorry for spelling) porn is a sin…. And since this whole website is kind of based on pornorgraphy, why are you people on this website in teh first place?
Yes, It’s worth it. It has more blood and guts than Braveheart or Saving Private Ryan and more meaning and message than any other shitty Hollywood movie out right now.
ocho -
My point is very simple. I’m not saying drink and do drugs and don’t believe in a higher power… It is my firm belief that Christianity is a joke. Most of its tennants are based strongly in fantasy and conjecture. Why waste your time preparing for something that is never going to happen? I am definately NOT saying that the principals and ideology behind Christianity are negative, because they are not. They are the standard and common ideas behind all major religions and philosophies… peace, love and compassion. Why not drink a beer and smoke a joint if it’s going to make you a happy person?? Because the Bible says it’s wrong?? That is pure bullshit. Open your eyes wide enough, and everyone can see the truth… if you never try, you will never succeed. Faith is the easy route through life for weakminded people. To me it makes no sense spending my whole life striving for the intangible.
Oh… TheOtherAmy -
I know through two thousand and four years of collective information, discovery, and practice.
You are all blinded sheep. I have room to criticize because I have put in the time and effort to formulate an intelligent and informed opinion. Faith is an incredibly strong emotion, and it CAN and WILL blind you to the truth. Jesus was nothing more and nothing less than an incredible MAN, with beautiful thoughts and ideas. Ideas that have spanned the generations. The only way that Jesus will live again is through these principles and ideas. He was not the Son of God, or the Messiah, or your Savior… Jesus never saved me from anything!! How about you?
Embus - Why do you think that Jesus was even a (real) man?
There are many credible arguments that Jesus as such NEVER existed. I’m sure Honorius of Thebes would agree that we really know very little about the Essenes, but it is quite likely that the thinking that underlies the original New Testament ideology of the "Bible" is clearly influence by the Essenes.
However it is also clearly influenced by an even older mystery cult, the Greek Dionysians who in turn were adapting the older Osiris mythologies of Egypt.
(For Honorious and pottedmeat, I’d be curious on your take on the Freke & Gandy’s analysis in "The Jesus Mysteries" and your take on Elaine Pagel’s work.)
Last time I checked, no one had proven Jesus was or was not the Son of God.
Great point, Amy. That’s really all that can be said. I guess everyone will just have to wait until death and pray that they are right, or that God really is forgiving. :)
By the way, I am a Christian. I just think it’s amazing how NOBODY knows the truth, and yet people are calling each other "blind sheep" and criticizing. Wait and see. If I’m wrong, no loss. I’m dead. If you’re wrong, eternal damnation. Don’t take that as a reason to be a Christian, because it’s not. Just a perk.
RedEye!
Good point indeed!! Regardless of his actual being or not, his ideals portrayed through scripture are really of which I speak. They are the same ideals spoken by every great man throughout the many different histories, cultures and beliefs of this world.
Well, to answer RedEye, I would point out that the influence of culture on the Bible did nothing to change who Jesus, the human, was. Like I’ve already said, the Bible was not written the way we have it. Much of the Bible were simply letters between friends. Luke is one of the letters and one which is simply written to be as historically accurate as possible in regards to this human. You will see little influence in his work. You know, fine, whatever, there are problems with religion, Christianity, whatever. But are you really so scared by this all that you have to look towards conspiracy theories? You want to tell me that there’s credible evidence that Jesus didn’t exist? How is that even possible? How can you prove that someone didn’t exist? The only thing you can prove is that there is no evidence, which still doesn’t prove that he didn’t exist. And fine, it’s similar to other religions, but only similar. The hoops that are jumped through become ridiculous, tying a main character from this story, to that one. Not only that, but the counter proof is alarming, especially since it’s being compared to a theory. If you want to prove to me that Jesus didn’t exist, prove to me that you can provide evidence that any other poor carpenter criminal did.
Ahhhhh….Monkey!
The blind can speak!!!! Next time remember.. sheep say "Baaaaaaaa".
And another thing… I DO KNOW THE TRUTH. How long will Christians retain their faith and wait for the second coming? At what point in time are you forced to re-evaluate your beliefs? 2000 years of history to the contrary is enough for me. Call me a synic, or whatever you will… I just don’t like being lied to.
embus…what’s you’re issue? who fucking cares what you believe or I believe or anybody believes? Beliefs are beliefs. If mine differ from yours…no one really cares. I’m all for debate and discussion, but you are just plain rude.
It seems like your insults are filler for your lack of an argument.
eww, you’re = your
Obviously YOU care, or else I wouldn’t have to listen to your drabble. And my argument is-a-plenty. Maybe you are to ignorant to deduce the meaning from my words…
C’mon dude… do a Google search for problems with Tacitus, Josephus etc… if your gonna use them as evidence please don’t… it makes you look silly. Most reputable scholars wont use them for a reason… The jesus myth is just a re-hashing of much more ancient myths used in much more ancient religions. Why is that fact so hard to accept? Would it shatter your whole world view to admit that the guy is a myth? Oh well, one man’s salvation is another man’s belly laugh. That holds true I guess.
Seriously…I don’t get why people that don’t believe in God(or Jesus, or Tactitus…or whatever) are so compelled to insult religious people for their beliefs. Embus- has a group of missionaries come to your vilage and thrown away your "pagan" idols? Probably not. So what do you care if a huge percentage of the earth’s population believes that Jesus is the son of God? I believe my neighbor is a lesbian. She’s probably not….but my belief that she is shouldn’t hurt your feelings.
stacia definitely has my favorite comment on this thread.
those who are so quick to bash on others’ beliefs are the weak-minded. that need to find fault in others’ arguments just to prove how fucking smart and rad and intellectual you are.
in wanting/needing to win an argument so badly… that’s when you lose. it shouldn’t matter if you win.
Wow. Never imgained that the number of comments on this would be so high. Actually, I did but not to this extent. I have heard from many people it’s a good movie. I am a religious person, so allow me to step on my soap box for a minute or two.
First off, those of you that say there is no god, are lost. Way off. How did we get here? Did evolution really work? It’s my opinion that evolution is a bunch of BS made up a few hundred years ago to cause disruption with the church. Remember, 400 years ago the pilgrims came to America on a basis of religion, about the same time evolution was taking shape. The big bang theory combined with evolution is just too much of a strech of the imagination—allbeit a good one— to believe. There’s as much, if not more speculation in the big bang than in the Bible.
"This person contradicts themselves more than the Bible." For all you people who say the Bible contradicts itself, I ask you one simple question: Where? Usually the people who say that have not studied or are even familiar with the Bible. (Not saying I’ve studied it but, they can’t say that without knowing.) Don’t you think if this book that most of the world’s religions are based on contradicted itself, someone would’ve figured it out?
As mentioned in some above comments it’s not about religion but faith. That I agree on. Believing that there is someone who cares for you is powerful is an awesome idea. That’s all the Bible teaches. This "God" loves us all so much that he sent his son to die for everything we did wrong ever. He even says that in his word, the Bible: "For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son, and whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life." That’s right, John 3:16. You just have to believe that he loves you and you’re in. It’s not a crutch for the weak, it’s simple. That’s why you all don’t get it. You keep looking at it and saying "What? An eternity of goodness? All I have to do is believe in something that has yet to be proven wrong? That can’t be right." I’m here, dismantling from my soap box to tell you it is.
excellent movie.
It’s funny. This overhyped movie was actually not controversial at all. Mel Gibson was disappointingly safe in his story-telling in that he covered all his bases, seemingly making sure not to piss really anyone off.
Also, I wanted to punch the ladies behind me in the theater who were sobbing. It’s just a fucking MOVIE! REMEMBER PEOPLE, this movie was made for the same reason any other movie was made: TO MAKE MONEY. Mel Gibson and everyone else involved in this movie did a brilliant job of marketing this movie because not only was the "average" movie-goer intrigued to the point where they had to watch it, but this movie also tapped into a demographic of otherwise "annoyingly religious" people who probably don’t really get out much. Thus, more money was to be made from their attendance.
One last thing. Religion to me is somewhat comical. For all we really know, Jesus could have just been some borderline insane man who believed he was the son of God who found some weak, low self-esteemed "sheep" type folks with NOTHING ELSE going for themselves to believe in his crazy rants. Furthermore, COUPLE THAT with the fact that this supposedly happened several hundred years ago! Think how much stories get embellished over even a course of a FEW DAYS when you hear something from a friend or a co-worker. That shit can get out of hand REAL QUICK.
Religion is for the weak. It’s for people who believe in something simply because their parents did, and it gets passed on from generation to generation. If your parents took you to church every Sunday to worship carrots as a kid, then you would be a 40 year-old man worshipping carrots. NO MAN can heal blind people. It’s not physically possible. No man can PART A FUCKING SEA. It’s not physically possible. If you don’t take the literal meanings of the nursery rhymes your mom used to read you when you were little, then WHY are you believing that ONE MAN is so special? It’s all a hoax that got passed on over the years…
Anyone disagree?
oooh…headshot
Bush is the reason religion pisses me off so much. Institutions not touched by religion seem to work so smoothly it boggles the mind, introduce that warped factor into it and the works get clogged. Bush and his mob want to actually constitutionally ban a loving marriage between two completely caring and consenting adults. Based around what? A myth filled book about a mythical being and the religion that sprouted up around it. Stop trying to mess with a rightful seperation of church and state and then the religious can claim that they are not the ones throwing it in our faces first.
Oh yeah, and I second everything Sam has to say… right on dude!
jesus was a good dude who said "hey why don’t you guys be nice to each other and not fuck each other over" this is a really nice thouhgt that somehow was corrupted by organized religion to bring us things like crusades and missionares destroying other religions in the name of one true god. I was raised catholic and about all the said cotroversy, I was pretty sure the jews were resposible for the death of jesus, so wheres the fuking controversy?
and no i have nothing against jews or any other religous group, they all have the right to believe in whatever particular fantasy they want too.
As one King Missile once put it, "Jesus is way cool."
:)
Good stuff.
Ever biblical scientists christian jewish or any faith agree that a amn named jesus was cuxsified and pontif pilot was the governor.If you dont believe jesus is the son of god fine,but he was a ctual person of flesh and blood.they have also know that paul and ppeter are real people.
"Religion is for the weak."
That is my favorite comment in this thread. Oh boy. Where to even start with that?
I believe in Jesus and I don’t want or need proof, but this shit got me upset
"It is said that those who hate and persecute homosexuals the most have, themselves, strong homosexual tendencies that they are trying to repress."
Who fucking said that?
Why is everything always some "it is said"?
Maybe people hate homosexuals because they hate homosexuality?
I’ve gone and explained it all in today’s post on my webpage (yes, I’ve finally posted something). Yes, it’s a shameless plug, but I didn’t feel that copying and pasting it over to here was exactly the way to go. Furthermore, this way reduces the amount of bitching that’s going to come in my general direction after you read it.
What a stupid movie.
Never heard of it…
this thread is a bit too philosophical…get back to the discussions about how big a girls tits are and "would you do her?"
One thing I forgot to mention, you can’t really judge this movie on ticket sales. That being said in a week or so when all the church bought tickets cycle through then we’ll see what this movie does. If it sets any records they should all have an asterisk by them. I don’t care either way. TPoTC probably doesn’t have enough car crashes, gunfights, or explosions to hold my attention anyway.
Entire topic = blah, again.
Lets debate something less pointless that hasn’t been beaten into the ground like say gun control or abortion. While we’re at it we can talk about who actually won the 2000 election and why. Religion as an idea is a wonderful thing, faith and understanding in fellow man is the key to for me, I have none. There is no possible way the bible is the "word of god". That whole argument about how it is because the guys that wrote it were apostles thing is flawed, maybe those guys spent too much time in the sun and were padding their resume. And now for my list of things that will bring about the end of the world:
1. Organized Religion - Too many questions and wrong answers to "God" question.
2. Supermarkets - Nothing dilutes the gene pool like giving stupid people food.
3. Cosmo Magazine - There are more than 10 ways to please your man and no one is that skinny, pretty, rich, or smart!
Quoth embus:
"Jesus was a sheep screwing, little boy blowing, lying-out-of-his-ass-crazy-to-the-point-of delusion, homosexual, David Koresh wannabe. No different from the crazy bum that lives in back of my 7/11 talking to his imaginary demons."
"I just happen to have been born with a mind strong enough to see past the cloud of desperation that envelopes most Christians."
"You are all blinded sheep."
"The blind can speak!!!! Next time remember.. sheep say "Baaaaaaaa"."
"all you weak minded Jesus freaks out there… He ain’t coming back. There’s no point in waiting. There is no Heaven, there are no fiery brimstone pits of Hell.."
"Maybe you are to ignorant to deduce the meaning from my words…"
The defense rests.
You are free to believe in nothing without putting so much effort into discrediting the beliefs of others. Most of the people I know are athiests, and I have known few as belligerent and condescending as you. The ones I have known that could compare were usually former (or eventual) Christians.
It is said that those who hate and persecute homosexuals the most have, themselves, strong homosexual tendencies that they are trying to repress. I believe the same can be said of those who show unreasonable scorn toward Christians (and it goes the other way, too, of course… with Christians who are unreasonably hateful towards non-Christians).
Long story short, those who are comfortable in their beliefs, as you claim to be, don’t spend an entire day on an Internet message board ridiculing theists.
By all means, continue to congratulate yourself for being a cynic (yes, it’s spelled with a "c," oh Strong-Minded One). Just don’t expect us to take you seriously when your own inner conflict is so blatantly transparent.
Amen Secondtime
How the sales go the first five days determines how long it will run –hence the people that support the movie seeing it right away.
But they are seeing it with tickets they didn’t buy. If Bill Gates wanted to blow a billion dollars on a movie premier he wanted to set a record it wouldn’t count would it? Why should a church buying up millions of tickets be any different?
Secondtime…
You are so confused. Is it so bad that I have a strong opinion? Does your belief carry more merit than my non-belief?
And what the fuck are you trying to say with your homosexuality analogy? Are you trying to say that I have some sort of latent Christianity I am trying to suppress??
Your counterpoints are weak and stretched, at best. Besides my gratuitous insults, for which I make no excuse, all of my comments were simply my beliefs. As you believe in Jesus, I do not. For you to attack me for expressing my views, as radical as they may be, is nothing more than the pot calling the kettle black, as well as being entirely un-Christianly intolerant of my beliefs.
"Just don’t expect us to take you seriously when your own inner conflict is so blatantly transparent."
Blatantly transparent to who?? Re-read everything I have said in this post, and tell me where I appear to be at conflict? It seems to me that I know EXACTLY where I stand, and EXACTLY what I believe in. If you want to attack me for something, put a little effort into it next time.
Oh, and one spelling mistake is in no way indicative of my intelligence or lack thereof. From you, oh Great Theist, I would expect more tact than you have shown. Trying to discredit my beliefs for a spelling mistake?? Explain that one to your Pastor.
Ocho-
Pagan Idols?? You are an idiot.
What a stupid movie.
Never heard of it…
so many bigots in this world…
Yes, there are. And it is amazing how bigotry plays boths sides…
- Talking Point: Jesus was a rehash of Myth…
Well…the Church version is. The Roman God-Man and the Near-Eastern Dying God were mental constructs people applied to things they saw. People who saw Yeshua speak on traditional Jewish Legal Questions could be saying in thier heads "This guy is the Messiah" or "This is truely a God not a man". Those weird interpretations ands their oral accounts, later written down, don’t MAKE THE GUY a Myth.
- Talking Point: Josephus was a bad Historian.
Face it, he was a PREJUDICED historian. All those old "historians" were apologists for one side or another. Historians spend time asking questions like "Does this sound like a fact or his prejudice?" In fact, Josephus’s Histories had later Christian inserts like "He was the Son of God". The good news is you can tell them when you see them by text analisis.
- Talking Point: not much is known about the Essenes…
Popular Culture is a level which current academic knowledge take about 10 to 15 years to reach. I saw a "Life of Jesus" on the History Channel that promoted a level of scholarship as was current in about 1970 to 1980. This was a Documentary made about 3 years ago.
- Talking Point: Christianity did unforgivable harm.
Yes it did. People do inexcusable harm-all in the name of whatever Vapor is boiling their brains.
bligityblah:
It CAN be judged by ticket sales. The churches buying tickets in bulk aren’t just passing them out for free. Why not? Because churches don’t have a lot of money. They are supported by the church members. 99% of the churches are selling the tickets to the people for the same price, just making the process easier. As long as the tickets are being used and not used to make lots of confetti, the movie can be judged by ticket sales, regardless of who is attending the movie.
AND embus….You getting all defensive when somebody like secondtimeposter says something, just makes you look like a complete jackass.
Weird….I don’t feel like an idiot.
I’d like to see that stat monkey, everything I’ve read and seen states that the tickets are being given out to the congregation. Excuse me for thinking that’s a flawed statistic. Besides, God would never want a church to spend money on wasteful things like food and support for the poor when there is a Bible-thumping movie out.
http://www.heraldonline.com/entertainment/movies/7940991c.html
http://www.christianindex.org/33.article
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/139/story_13915_1.html
http://www.ljworld.com/section/arts/story/160397
Need I go on? Swing and a miss monkey, I’ll save you the banana jokes.
Honorious,
Help me educate myself. Please email me any information you can share on how I might get a hold of the most recent research on the Essenes. It would be most appreciated.
-RedEye
O> (sigil tilted 90 degrees clockwise thanks to ASCII)
as far as im concerned titanic shoulnd’t hold the reccord for highest grossing movie. why? well becouse nearly half of those seeing it are men who never would have, had thier wives or girlfriends dragged them there.
The only way anyone will understand the movie is if they read the Bible or New testament at least. People shouldn’t trash on something they don’t understand. As for violence or controversy; all that was made up by people who hate christianity. House of 1000 corpses, The Cell, Natural born Killers…all had violence to the extreme with the first two without any reedeming quality to them. I knew many reviewers who praised movies like The Cell as brilliant, but the Passion deals with the straight concept of GOD and people hate it because of that. Directors who come out with movies that express their feeling are mostly respected and praised but Mel Gibson was bashed on because he made a movie about Christ, its just that simple. As for the advertising, that’s how hollywood works you got to get the message out somehow and I can respect Gibson for forking over his own money to do the movie. I mean we all liked Braveheart right?
Anyone who thinks he did this because of his love of Christ is a fool. This is a brilliant move on his part both financially and career wise.
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story194356
financially eh?
bligityblah:
Why would else would Mel Gibson make this movie? He was told that this would probably ruin his career. And do you think he honestly needs MORE money? How the hell do you know WHY he did it? Get your head out of your ass.
Where in the bible does it say you cant drink or look at porn?
Does he need more money?
As for church purchased tickets, the one I attend purchased blocks for equal price "resale" to those who signed up. I personally did not attend and have little interest in seeing any movie in a crowded theater. My wife did go on Wednesday and was very moved, but she is much more spiritual than I. I agree with boreddude re the Titanic thing (refused to see it) but wonder about his financial argument (see first sentence). I think embus has many darts that have been shot through him. He brings up many issues I have questioned over the years but is a very bitter person. (anyone ever listen to Pink Floyd Animals?) I think Ghandi said something like "I like their Christ but I don’t like their Christians", which is also true of every faith. Take democrats for example.
Monkey you are an idiot, controversy always generates profit. For an example, look at ticket sales to this point. If he were a true Christian he would have donated the money and there would be no merchandising as show above. Mel is a good actor and a better director, oh he’ll work again a lot more than he would have had he not put this movie out. He puts butts in the seats, bottom line sweetheart.
You’re idea of a "true Christian" is nothing but YOUR IDEA. How would you know the true ideals of a Christian. It sucks that I’m an idiot, but apparently anyone other than you is an idiot also. By the way, Mel Gibson DID use his own money, but he’s going to earn it back like a smart person. Why would he just donate millions of dollars? Christians have jobs too, idiot.
Exactly you dolt, I know he used his own money and he’s going to earn it back and plus a shit load more! That is the whole point of everything I have been saying. He made this movie for financial gain, not to spread the word of Christ. So much for that giving and wanting nothing in return thing. How is live on Venus anyway? It seems the gasses and dense atmosphere have had a profound effect on you. Lets call a spade a spade dear boy.
Jeebus I’d hit it
I won’t go see it. No Monica Belluci breasts shown. I’m also pissed because there’s no Danny Glover cameo.
That’s exactly what I fucking said, you idiot. He’s going to make his money back. Show me where it says Christians can’t make money and I’ll give you your trophy. Christians have to work and make money just like everyone else. Why are you so ignorant to say that Mel Gibson can’t spread the word of Christ and make money while doing it? Does it even really matter what Mel Gibson is doing as long as the word is being spread? The maker of The Passion of the Christ could be a retarded hermaphrodite with a bad case of herpes for all I care, as long as the word is being spread. Your criticism of Mel Gibson is beside the point. Keep up with your witty responses though. Maybe eventually I will actually feel stupid (because that seems to be the point of your comments), but until then, keep trying.
You’re really dense, I pick something apart, you claim I didn’t and then use it to back yourself up…When a dog chases it’s tail it’s cute…When you do it it’s sad monkey. My whole point was that he made the movie for financial and other gains, not because God told him to. If it were about serving God then he would have given the money to charity or done some other good with it. People who believe in God and Jesus are aware that he suffered for their sins, better service to God and the Christian faith would have been to give more background to who Jesus was and what he believed in so as to possibly recruit more people to the faith. This movie is no different than Austin Powers or Titanic. It’s about selling tickets, not spreading the word and teachings of God. I never criticized Gibson, in fact I praised his acting and directing abilities. I only questioned his motives which you didn’t seem to grasp.
Silly Monkey, Trix are for kids!
There are no idiots, just idiotic posts. Now that THAT is settled…
I thought the flick was pretty sadistic, totally obsessed with the torture and capital punishment of a prophet. Since it didn’t really tell a story or even offer an interesting viewpoint, it could only be enjoyed by followers of that prophet… or sadists.
Besides the plotless, dimensionless portrayal of a good beating, I do have to say that Jim Caviezel did a damn fine job of acting. And sweet Monica did a damn fine job of being damn fine!
Once again, this is all due to your distorted view of Christians.
" If it were about serving God then he would have given the money to charity or done some other good with it."
Would anyone else like to help out with this one? By the way, have you heard any announcements saying that he won’t be giving any of it to char